Schiller American Heritage 5 Valve Rotary C Tuba

[cantostuba]

Hello.
I'm a spanish tuba player amateur.
I have the opportunity to purchase this tuba.
I use the tuba is for the street only in a band. but I do not know these American tubas.
Please anyone knows or has played.

I need opinions, I have to buy a tuba is not too expensive for what I do.

[cantostuba]

thanks for your information.
i see in tubaMM the M&M c tubes, is this a chinese tuba too or is a good tuba for i need.
you know another c tubas good?
here in europe is very expensives.
Thanks.

[Wyvern]

I can supply the JinBao rotary CC in Europe through my new company http://www.wessex-tubas.co.uk at very competitive price which will be less than buying from the USA, as no import duties and minimal shipping costs.

cantostuba, please contact me direct if interested.

Best Regards,
Jonathan

[MackBrass]

Theses horns are great tubas. The intonation, sound and quality have come a long way and are competitive with any other 4/4 on the market, the main difference is that they are very inexpensive. There are many, including myself who have bought them and feel as though they are better than the original.

I have two 186 clones available that arriving in June and can give you a price break, take payments and work around your financial needs on my already low prices. Please check out http://www.mackbrass.com" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank and feel free to call me any time at 804-926-7707. If June is two early for you to purchase then I have 5 more arriving in August that you can reserve.

I also have two 3+1 compensating euphoniums available in silver as everything else on this order has been spoken for.

Best regards,

Tom MCGrady
MACK Brass of Virginia LLC
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[imperialbari]

Welcome to the TubeNet from another European member.

Buying a Chinese made tuba via the US will not be cost efficient. Layers of duty and declaration costs. If a Chinese tuba is the right thing for you, then rather buy from Neptune/Jonathan, who is a tubist with better Chinese connections than most Western tubists.

Where my reservations enter is whether a Chinese tuba is sturdy enough for tough street work. Solderings shall hold up very well. But then even the toughest German made tuba will suffer from wear. So basically you have this more or less calculable choice:

Buy a cheaper Chinese tuba and renew it after a shorter lifespan

or

buy a more expensive tuba, use some money to have it maintained over the years, and then renew it after a longer lifespan.

Our lifeguard band gives high end instruments to its players to play in concert. But especially around their bassoon they buy a cheaper one for street parades. It will die soon anyway.

Klaus

[MackBrass]

I did not see the part about his location being in Europe, your best bet will to through Neptune on this.

Best of luck and you will not be dissapointed.

Neptune,

I am sure you will do great in Europe with you new company and I wish you only the Very best.

Tom McGrady

[bisontuba]

Jonathan-
Excellent website!

For Asian tubas in Europe, go through Jonathan!

mark

[mclaugh]

I can supply the JinBao rotary CC in Europe through my new company http://www.wessex-tubas.co.uk at very competitive price which will be less than buying from the USA, as no import duties and minimal shipping costs.

cantostuba, please contact me direct if interested.

Best Regards,
Jonathan

Hmm ... looks like someone had a "come to Jesus" moment ... or ditched his moral scruples for a quick buck.

[Wyvern]

Hmm ... looks like someone had a "come to Jesus" moment ... or ditched his moral scruples for a quick buck.

Lets just say life is not so simple, and views do change through experience.

I don't think there is any "quick buck" in this (potentially slow turnover for the investment), but it does provide very appropriate employment for my Chinese wife and exciting business venture for me

[Alex C]

There are other Chinese instruments for even less money on AlibabaExpress .com.

I really enjoyed exploring the Chinese instruments on this link AlibabaExpress.com . My favorite was the sheshkebab and lamb curry. Can't wait to get to Morgantown to try them out.

[cantostuba]

thnx.
i prefer a nor chinesse tuba, in m band dont have good experience, i play arround 5 hous/day 4 or 5 days/week in street.
i need c tuba not heavy and good.
thnx

[Wyvern]

A lightweight Cerveny 603 Piggy CC might be just right for you, if you can find used one. New it would cost almost 3 times the amount of Chinese tuba.

Of Chinese models, there is also a 3/4 CC which would be lighter for standing gigs, but I have heard no reports of how they play. I also don't know the weight of the 4/4 model, but can let you know once I receive order.

[bisontuba]

Hi-
I have played the small 4 rotor CC tuba from JinBao--it is not one to recommend with the 186 clone out there...

mark

[tubaforce]

Hi!
The JinBao model 400 is a bit challenging to play! A good player with an EAR and a nimble left hand can accomplish it nicely! Problem is the sound is a bit thin, really not suitable for a "mature" group. I may start my Daughter on one instead of the EEb her sister used...Congratulations to Jonathan(Neptune)! I wish him well in his endeavor! His prices will be right in line with what Mack and I charge, especially when one considers the 20% "VAT" (Value Added Tax), and the higher shipping cost to the UK and Europe! None of us expect to make millions selling Tubas. And I am sure that European buyers that can, will hand over the dough for Bessons/Miraphones/Willsons, et.al.!
Al

[Lingon]

Hi!
...The JinBao model 400 is a bit challenging to play!...

Is that the same as Stagg TU-77 RC?

[Wyvern]

...The JinBao model 400 is a bit challenging to play!...

Is that the same as Stagg TU-77 RC?

That looks the same. Is that what you have got John? In which case, how do you find? It is model I have been considering stocking.

[Lingon]

That looks the same. Is that what you have got John? In which case, how do you find? It is model I have been considering stocking.

Yes that's the one I have. It seems to be out of Stagg's catalog now which may be a sign?! And, well, I am not an experienced tubaist so maybe my impressions should be taken with a grain of salt, but the instrument I have is really, like what Al wrote, a bit challenging to play, at least in tune. Also, it seems to be very sensitive to mouthpieces both regarding intonation and sound. It may be me or just the instrument and/or combination with moutpiece and me, but I think you should check it up well before you decide on it. OTOH, with a good ear and an active left hand it is manageable. And it is a challenge to play in tune which is possible with a bit of work. So before you decide on ordering a container full of that model I think you should investigate it a bit further.

[arpthark]

Does anyone know what model this little 4 valve CC was actually based on? I am guessing a (pre-PT?) B&S by the leadpipe entry/exit angle in the valve section and 4th and 3rd valve slide layout, but I've not seen a smallish B&S CC like that before.

[Wyvern]

And it is a challenge to play in tune which is possible with a bit of work. So before you decide on ordering a container full of that model I think you should investigate it a bit further.

Thanks John for your thoughts. As Al said, definitely seems one to best avoid even if tempting due to its super low price

However, I would never order batch of any tuba model straight off. Am planning to just get one initially and trial myself to post reviews here (and on my website), as I want any buyers to be clear about what they are getting, with no bad surprises. I will only then stock decent playing model.

PS Look out for review of the JinBao 700 Eb shortly

[Lingon]

PS Look out for review of the JinBao 700 Eb shortly

I just browsed your website, very nice! Definitely a great idea to have play reviews of the instruments you are going to sell. On some other sites there are just the usual good intonation, fast response, plays well etc stuff which does say nothing. Looking forward to hear about your impressions of the JBEB700 soon.

...As Al said, definitely seems one to best avoid even if tempting due to its super low price

Based on what has been spoken of here on tubenet it seems that the Miraclone Cc you and the other Jinbaoists sells is a winner. Now with what looks like to be two out of two that have played the JBCB400 with not the greatest impressions it is maybe a bit scary, despite of what was seen about "plays very well" and such in the ads, to be recommended. At least as with my one it is a lot of work, especially for someone that starts out with a first Cc and thinks wow a real bargain. So beware. Something about the size of a YCB621 but with rotors and the price of the JBCB400 would have been nice...

...Am planning to just get one initially and trial myself...

If someone would have a chance and time to spend at the factory to help them iron out the quirks with the 400 it could be good instrument. At least the size is fine and the valves and slides works great.

My Fasch/Jinbao bass trombone have I used in the orchestra as my main instrument for nearly four years now. Both me and the colleagues like it well and it is still not falling into pieces...

Now, if someone could start to produce a great bargain priced ophiclede.