Are you currently a member of ITEA?

Todd S. Malicoate · Post by **Todd S. Malicoate** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:20 am

bloke wrote:Somehow, I have to believe that the vast majority of the (so far) 37 who formerly were members, were members back when it was T.U.B.A.

Yep. Not because it changed names, but rather because I didn't see the point of continuing to pay dues to the organization after getting the coveted tuba performance degree followed by scant little tuba performance gigs.

Not that I blame the organization for that, of course. However, on a similar note, I don't pay dues to the local plumbers union either. Don't really see the point.

graybach · Post by **graybach** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:53 am

The other brass organizations:

International Horn Society: IHS
International Trumpet Guild: ITG
International Trombone Association: ITA

"ITEA", when grouped with these, does in fact read as more respectable than "TUBA."

How about we not be like the other "cookie-cutter" organizations? So what if everyone else has the same name modified to describe their instrument? Why do we have to be like everone else? Tuba players have always been different and proud of it.

Also, "International Tuba and Euphonium Association" does not subtly exclude women and euphonium/baritone players, as "Tubists' Universal Brotherhood Association" did, subtly. I agree with these reasons and I am happy to be a current member of ITEA.

Oh, good, the PC police have taken roost. Where does the line get drawn on who to include? There were many women and euphonium and baritone members of TUBA, and I never heard them complain. The only people who ever said anything were the self-appointed advocates of the PC police. It seems this name change was done to appease a minority. We had a good name. it seems to me that the majority of people who have posted on this forum liked the name. If people think more people should be included in the name of political correctness, START YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION! I, too, think it's weird that the vote tally was never released. Oh, well, we USED to be unique. I'll still continue to be a member because there are still good benefits including conferences, Journals, tips, exchange of ideas, etc....

Gray Bach

GC · Post by GC » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:00 pm

I joined at SERTEC back in the spring, and the only contact I've had with them was election emails. Nothing else. Zip. Nada.

Rick F · Post by **Rick F** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:44 pm

I joined ITEA shortly after the name change from TUBA. I heard that the euphonium members preferred ITEA, but continuing with TUBA would have been fine with me. I have no qualms with the name TUBA and didn't think it was necessary to change to ITEA. My membership ran out after a year and never recv'd a renewal notice or I would have probably renewed. Then before SERTEC, I joined again so I could attend. Then one year later I tried renewing and could never get it to go through at their webpage. Called an 800 number, left message for help, some lady called back and said they were having trouble with their webpage and to try again later. Never got it to work.

So, I've saved about $65 a year for the past two years now.

graybach · Post by **graybach** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:06 pm

@Ken (knuxie)- I apologize. I have never quoted before and somehow the person I quoted did not appear in the quote. It is at the very bottom of page 2 of this topic and the author is "tubalex."

Here is the entire post:

Re: Are you currently a member of ITEA?

by tubalex » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:12 am

The other brass organizations:

International Horn Society: IHS
International Trumpet Guild: ITG
International Trombone Association: ITA

"ITEA", when grouped with these, does in fact read as more respectable than "TUBA." Also, "International Tuba and Euphonium Association" does not subtly exclude women and euphonium/baritone players, as "Tubists' Universal Brotherhood Association" did, subtly. I agree with these reasons and I am happy to be a current member of ITEA.

As for what it does for us other than take our money: the group commissions works, sponsors competitions, and organizes many, many conferences with tremendous diversity of content and location (glad that we are getting back to Europe next year...) At this year's SWRTEC I had many people ask me to let them register without being members of ITEA. You must realize that without ITEA these conferences simply would not happen.

Also, the archive of ITEA journals available online is a treasure trove of information, well written and well edited. While the lively and frequently helpful discourse of a site like the tubenet is a delightful step forward for our community, it really is essential for our community to have a professional organization with a publication that solicits, reviews and publishes articles and reviews by professional musicians and educators.

Alexander Lapins, DM
Tuba, euphonium and chamber music lecturer
Northern Arizona University
Tubist-Elden Brass Quintet
Blue Lake Fine Arts Camp Faculty
http://www.cal.nau.edu/music/faculty/lapins.asp" target="_blank

Gray Bach

THE TUBA · Post by **THE TUBA** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:57 pm

I'm a card-carrying member of ITEA. I like the name. I like the journals. I like attending the regional and international conferences. I like the work the elected officers do to promote the academic and musical legitimacy of our instrument.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:02 pm

Rick F wrote:I joined ITEA shortly after the name change from TUBA. I heard that the euphonium members preferred ITEA, but continuing with TUBA would have been fine with me. I have no qualms with the name TUBA and didn't think it was necessary to change to ITEA. My membership ran out after a year and never recv'd a renewal notice or I would have probably renewed. Then before SERTEC, I joined again so I could attend. Then one year later I tried renewing and could never get it to go through at their webpage. Called an 800 number, left message for help, some lady called back and said they were having trouble with their webpage and to try again later. Never got it to work.

So, I've saved about $65 a year for the past two years now.

My situation exactly. It just became too much work on my part to try and give ITEA my money.

GC · Post by GC » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:26 pm

Hm. I complained earlier today that I'd gotten nothing from ITEA since joining in March. Zip. Nada. Then in today's mail was my first ITEA Journal. How's that for service?

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:31 pm

GC wrote:Hm. I complained earlier today that I'd gotten nothing from ITEA since joining in March. Zip. Nada. Then in today's mail was my first ITEA Journal. How's that for service?

Actually, that is not good service.

SRanney · Post by **SRanney** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:03 am

bloke wrote:Somehow, I have to believe that the vast majority of the (so far) 37 who formerly were members, were members back when it was T.U.B.A.

I selected the "I've never been a member of ITEA" option because I've never given money to an organization referred to as ITEA.

Years ago (20+; I don't even know when the switch was made to ITEA) I was a member of T.U.B.A. Were I a professional music educator or musician, I would likely be as active in ITEA as I am now in the American Fisheries Society (i.e., very active). I think that professional societies are what you make of them; if you spend the time to make them better, they'll serve you well.

EDIT: Is the journal that ITEA produces academic in nature? Is the journal peer-reviewed?

Steven

Alex C · Post by **Alex C** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:40 pm

graybach wrote: How about we not be like the other "cookie-cutter" organizations? So what if everyone else has the same name modified to describe their instrument? Why do we have to be like everone else? Tuba players have always been different and proud of it.

Oh, good, the PC police have taken roost.

Gray Bach

Right on both counts and I appreciate that you posted your name.

The reasons are related to the purpose of the organization which is to foster growth of tuba jobs in the academic field. If you do not publish, you do not get tenured, and "tuba professor" was a new job title, even fifteen years ago.

The university system required that:

tuba instructors become accepted in academia, including publication. (Articles submitted to publications like the Instrumentalist and NACWPI had too much competition and the journal filled that specific need.)

the name change so that the organization would fit the mold which was also more pc. (As someone pointed out, the other names are similar. There is a reason for that.)

At any rate, hats off to Harvey Phillips!

If you should attend an NBA Finals viewing tonight where libations are served, allow me to suggest that you offer a toast to Mr. Phillips for all he has done for the tuba profession, ITEA being only a representative portion of his work.

Alex C · Post by **Alex C** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:45 pm

SRanney wrote: EDIT: Is the journal that ITEA produces academic in nature? Is the journal peer-reviewed?

Steven

The journal is not peer reviewed because it isn't research based. It is not purely academic in form either. It falls under some other heading. I dunno.

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:00 pm

I joined T.U.B.A back in 1989 when I was a senior in high school. I remained a member because it was the primary place where I could read articles about tuba. As a music major, I felt it was important that I do so. I probably let my membership lapse around the time I started going online, which was 1995 or so. I haven't rejoined since. I feel the newer name adds a bit more legitimacy to the organization. T.U.B.A - while clever - looks silly to me when you compare it to other organizations of similar purposes. It's very tuba geeky. I haven't looked at a journal in a long time and I don't know that I need to with the resources available online. Although Dave Zerkel makes some excellent points in his earlier post.

Honestly, I think both instruments might be better served if they had different organizations. I mean no disrespect to colleagues who teach both tuba and euphonium, but it struck me at the SERTEC this past year. I have nothing in common with euphoniums.

FWIW, I agree.

Stefan

GaryBB · Post by **GaryBB** » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:37 pm

I attempted to join about a year ago after ordering music from ITEC. There were problems with the ITEC web site membership area so I was unable to join. I will try again.

J.c. Sherman · Post by **J.c. Sherman** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:23 am

bloke wrote:Somehow, I have to believe that the vast majority of the (so far) 37 who formerly were members, were members back when it was T.U.B.A.

Count me among them. Change for the sake of change is the quickest way to lose my respect. And I only got 3 of my quarterly issues from my last subscription. It demonstrated to me the priorities of the time.

I think they did a great many things, and the historical section is great, and I will probably re-up someday when it's not a choice between kids swimming lessons and a journal. Their mission is laudable. It's just not a draw for me at the moment.

BTW - why is "ITA/ITG" etc considered "more respectable"? TUBA was a proud designation, and the only one with a somewhat clear association/truth in advertising.

J.c.S.

Biggs · Post by **Biggs** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:13 pm

Alex C wrote:
SRanney wrote: EDIT: Is the journal that ITEA produces academic in nature? Is the journal peer-reviewed?

Steven
The journal is not peer reviewed because it isn't research based. It is not purely academic in form either. It falls under some other heading. I dunno.

The journal is the reason I am no longer a member. The quality of the journal is simply too awful (editing, production value, etc.) for me to be willing to pay for it or even waste time reading it for free. When the management of the organization refused my courteous, by-the-book, genuine, free-of-charge offer to help, I abandoned the cause.

jdsalas · Post by **jdsalas** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:46 pm

I have been an “on-again/off-again” member for some time. I first joined when I was student and the organization was T.U.B.A., I thought it was a cool name but I didn’t mind the change too much.

ITEA magazine keeps featuring academia folks, while Tubenet seems to cover--for better or for worse--EVERYTHING under the sun. Might ITEA look at TubeNet to improve/change/alter some of its content to make it more appealing to a broader audience (not everyone is a teacher at a college or a student at college....)? Just some random thoughts on a Friday afternoon........

Regards-
mark

-I believe that anyone is welcome to write and submit an article. I know from speaking to Jason Smith and recently emailing Ben Pierce that they would be more than happy to receive article submissions that focus on general tuba-euphonium interest topics. From checking out today’s new posts, I can see plenty of subjects that would make great articles (comparing travel tubas, Franken-Tuba projects, Shipping options for used horns, etc) .....there just needs to someone willing to write and submit them.

- I just received my Spring 2011 journal and while there are some academic articles such as “Adolphe Sax’s Bigger Brasses” and the “National Music Museum Report” (which are pretty interesting from a historical vantage), there is a great collection of eulogies and memoirs on Harvey Phillips, an article on Dan Perantoni’s career with plenty of great pictures, and a summary of the 2011 MWRTEC and 2010 International Euphonium Institute. There are also plenty of useful sections for everyone such as the Pedagogy section and the New Music Reviews which cover everything from CD’s to Sheet Music to Books on the tuba and euphonium.

J.D.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:23 pm

Hi-
On this website, go to 'Shops' and see 'Tubists Universal Brotherhood Association' (Schlepp--name needs to be changed to ITEA)--click on it and I believe you will see http://www.iteaonline.org" target="_blank

The Journal is much, much improved...

mark

tofu · Post by **tofu** » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:43 pm

Remember when you would have 50 page journal show up in the mailbox and half of it was in Japanese? What a colossal waste of money. There were like 15 members in Japan - never understood this.

Michael Bush · Post by **Michael Bush** » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:23 pm

Grooving for Heaven wrote:yes, I saw the website, that's how I knew the journals were online. the question was how many journals a member can read online

Back to Winter of 2004. More on the way.

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