JinBao 410 CC clone Youtube Demo

[bisontuba]

Hi-
BTW, anybody waiting for their horn(s) from Al at Big Bottom Brass--I just received a jpeg from him with his truck and trailer full of boxes of new JinBao tubas--they are in, finally past Customs,and they are in his hands as of about an hour ago. I would think shipping should be in a day or two.
mark

[Christopher Lair]

I'll reinforce all the other positive reviews about Mack Brass. Tom knows what he is doing....... and he's doing it very well. You can't go wrong buying an instrument from an honest guy who is also a great player and teacher! I'd be very happy to talk to anyone on or off the forum about Mack.

[tubaforce]

Yes, I FINALLY got 'em! it was like pulling teeth!
I have never heard so many different stories from so few persons...Needless to say, I have now hired Mack's Customs/forwarding agent for all future shipments... Thanks, Tom!

Al

[MackBrass]

Yes, I FINALLY got 'em! it was like pulling teeth!
I have never heard so many different stories from so few persons...Needless to say, I have now hired Mack's Customs/forwarding agent for all future shipments... Thanks, Tom!

Al

Good deal Al, Ro will treat you right for all you customs needs, it is nice to have family in the business.

[Michael Bush]

Yes, I FINALLY got 'em! it was like pulling teeth!
I have never heard so many different stories from so few persons...Needless to say, I have now hired Mack's Customs/forwarding agent for all future shipments... Thanks, Tom!

Al

Any whisper of an ETA from Huashen or the September batch of Jinbaos?

[cjk]

Very interesting story about the Sousaphones, He forgot to say that He paid $1750.00 for the 100 model not $2440.00 for the 110 Sousas and all money was returned to Him ,less shipping costs and we offered him a $400.00 credit to cover shipping

A $400 credit? Meh. That sounds to me like the vendor is not refunding the shipping and the customer will be unlikely to get any of that money back.

So basically, "store credit" means that the customer would have to do business with the vendor again to get "reimbursed" for the mistake that the vendor made. That mistake was using the wrong picture for a given instrument model on the vendor's website, therefore the customer did not receive what he thought he ordered. In my honest opinion, the vendor should pay for the vendor's mistakes.

[tubamlb]

Bloke
Since you have chosen to use this site to talk about your business
1 The add said 16.3 mm bore instruments that is what we sent you
2 You were informed by me and Dan that you had a credit on other sales
3 We sent you what you ordered , ,I did not think we should have to pay shipping
4 we ofered you a credit as good will

5 Please get back to sharing tuba repair information not this stuff

Michael

[The Big Ben]

Sounds like it's time to take this out into the alley...

Not here.

[MikeMason]

Michael,was the add wrong or not?

[tubaforce]

I should think a court would go with the pictured item, unless captioned "actual product may vary...", no matter what the ad copy states... If the two horns in question LOOKED identical, that would be a different matter!

Al

[bort]

Y'all should meet, split $400 of beer and bratwurst, and walk away as friends.

[MackBrass]

There are plenty of dealers out there that never open the box once it arrives from China. They take it put it on the shelf and when an order needs to be filled, they just ship it out without never even looking at it.

This is why as a dealer, Al and myself have discussed this in length and we do the following on all instruments.

1. Receive the goods from China
2. Open the box to prepare instrument for shipping.
3. Take out each instrument and inspect condition, valve alignment, slides.
4. If an adjustment is needed, this is taken care of well before the customer gets it.
4. Actually play the instrument and check it on the tuner to ensure it is where it needs to be.
5. Oil valves, this is important because the horns have been in a container for well over a month before we get them.
Side note, I did run out of valve oil on my last shipment and the local music shop in my town has sold out due to them going out of business. Sorry about that on a few horns but at least I did give those a heads up prior to receiving them.
6. Repackage instrument for shipping.
7. Check invoice to make sure instruments match with what is being purchased.
8. Ship horn out to customer.

This is done on all instruments not just tubas, and I might say, I can now play a decent scale on the french horn. I may demo one of those myself one day.

There should never be confusion as to what the customer is buying and what the dealer is selling/shipping out. I know that if I sent something out to someone and it was the wrong horn, it would be my responsibilty to cover the shipping, not the customer as this would be my screw up, not theirs. Giving a credit on a future purchase?????????? Wrong.....

The customer is always right.


Tom

[MackBrass]

By the way, I would like to remind all the intent of this posting. This was to show what the 410 CC sounded like.

Hope everyone revisits the orginal message I posted and enjoys the demo as there will be more to come.

Best regards,

Tom McGrady

[Lingon]

...Dose das Jin Bao spiel Deutsche lieder - "Trink, trink, Bruderlein trink," "Du, Du, liegst mir in herzen," "In Munchen Steht Ein Hofbrauhaus," und "Du kannst nicht treu sein" ???...

As far as I remember the 410 that this thread is/was about is of German design, so it should play those Deutsche lieder just fine. At least it did play another German tune, the Ride, very well I think.

[Wyvern]

A serious question for TubMM... Left handed 410 CC tubas are really available?

If you look on the Specials page there is a left handed TU 4500 CC as well! It looks like visual presentation may take precedence over accurate illustration of the products for sale? In other words a left handed tuba just balances the page layout better (my guess)

[Lingon]

A serious question for TubMM... Left handed 410 CC tubas are really available?

If you look on the Specials page there is a left handed TU 4500 CC as well! It looks like visual presentation may take precedence over accurate illustration of the products for sale? In other words a left handed tuba just balances the page layout better (my guess)

Hmm, OTOH instruments for left handed players would be fine for some people. I know a couple of persons that have had their right handed instruments modified for big money just to be able to play them in a natural way.

However, the actual examples would absolutely look more serious with correct pictures of the stuff.

I would like to take the chance to hint those of you that seems to sell the left handed JB bass trombone, pictured on your sites, that there is a at least one European seller that have the right handed version with correct pictures of the instrument on their web site... But also many that has the left hand version.

Maybe it should be part of the JB QC program to present their instruments with non mirrored pictures?!

Now, who does really have a left hand version of the 410 in stock?

[tubamlb]

Yes

Lost my Web Person, He went to Med School , so I have new person that has a lot to fix , that she messed up working the site

Glad to see you all are checing the site , thanks for your help, by the way my conversion chart , 19mm is 0.748in

Or is the chart wrong?

Michael