King 627's

[Bob Kolada]

These are the up bell ones, right? I'd buy or trade for one.

[iiipopes]

I have always preferred the "American Baritone" tone for concert band, as it has a color that blends with both woodwinds and brass, but can still cut through for countermelodies.

A Schilke 50 mouthpiece really brings out the tone of these and other "American" baritone horns for concert band.

[Kevin Hendrick]

Did you "appropriate some material" from a shipment on your truck???

Nope. While making a delivery at the warehouse for a local school district, I noticed 3 shrink-wrapped pallets of old instruments. I found out that the school district was auctioning off all 3 pallets as a lot. I registered, bid, and won the auction.

Nice! Pays to keep your eyes open.

[Bob Kolada]

You bought 3 pallets of baritones?

[PMeuph]

OK, I recently acquired 6 King 627 3-valved baritones today.

You bought 3 pallets of baritones?

He stated he bought SIX horns....2 a pallet is maybe a waste of space but not too bad.

[SousaSaver]

... 1 ragged out Besson 4-valve euphonium ...

How ragged out?

[Bob Kolada]

OK, I recently acquired 6 King 627 3-valved baritones today.

You bought 3 pallets of baritones?

He stated he bought SIX horns....2 a pallet is maybe a waste of space but not too bad.

It was a joke dude.

[SousaSaver]

... 1 ragged out Besson 4-valve euphonium ...

How ragged out?

It closely resembles a euphonium. I tried playing it and the valves are horrible. In my opinion, it needs a complete overhaul.

Well then...I might know a guy who does that sort of thing who would be interested in "ragged out" horns...especially if he can fix it up for himself so he can finally practice the Cosma Euphonium Concerto (miserably)...

[PMeuph]

OK, I recently acquired 6 King 627 3-valved baritones today.

You bought 3 pallets of baritones?

He stated he bought SIX horns....2 a pallet is maybe a waste of space but not too bad.

It was a joke dude.

My bad!

FWIW, I read his opening post twice to make sure he hadn't just accidentally added a number in. Because why would anyone want 6 baritones....

[iiipopes]

So, how does the Besson 3-valve tuba play? Mine was great.

[Kevin Hendrick]

You bought 3 pallets of baritones?

If they really wanted to screw him they'd have given him 4 pallets of baritones...

I may have heard a rumor that he left all of those baritones in the back of his truck at the shopping mall, and when he came back out to his truck, there were about twelve more baritones in the back of his truck.

"Buggy little horners", aren't they? As Flip Wilson used to say, "in the booth in the back, in the corner, in the dark ..."

[Mark]

It closely resembles a euphonium. I tried playing it and the valves are horrible. In my opinion, it needs a complete overhaul.

I assume you know, but just to be sure: even if it needs a complete overhaul, it might still be valuable.

[Bob Kolada]

Got a pic of them bariphones?

[iiipopes]

So, how does the Besson 3-valve tuba play? Mine was great.

When I first got aholt of it, I had suspected a leak. Couldn't quite pinpoint it though. I assumed it was a bad cork. That proved to not be the case though when I was checking the slides. I greased the slides and piled the valves and took it on to chirch this morning. Then when I was getting all the slides adjusted, I found the leak. The collar on the journal exiting the 3rd valve was loose. I tore off a piece of paper from our program, wadded it up and wedged it between the downward part of that journal and one of the larger outer pipes. Hey! I had more volume! No more leaky feeling! Still not quite as good as my Miraphone 187, but a much warmer tone than my helicon for sure. I had my Snark tuner hooked up while I played. The pitch remained constant the entire time I played. If I was into keeping this horn for myself, I'd certainly be fixin' this one up.

Consider keeping it as a good spare. It won't take much to solder that collar. Solder joints from this era are prone to do that: just disintegrate for no apparent reason. Probably in a hurry wasn't prepped properly to begin with. In any event, if the 5th partials play flat with conventional fingerings, put a small dent in the knuckle between the 1st and 2nd valves, and like "the dent" for low C on an F tuba, it will bring up the pitch. It likes a Wick 1 mouthpiece (if it has the small receiver) the best, but a Kelly 18 is really great, even if it doesn't go in all the way (doesn't affect tuning), and then you have a perfect Tuba Christmas outdoor setup.

[imperialbari]

The term of journal puzzles me more in the context of a piston instrument that, if this had been a tuba with rotors. I cannot imagine what you refer to.

Klaus

[iiipopes]

I sold the Besson tuba to my dentist yesterday. That was the main reason why I had bid on the lot in the first place, to help get him back into playing tuba. I presented him with the horn and he giggled like a little kid all the way to his check book.

Cool. He'll enjoy it.

[imperialbari]

Will he cement the leak?

K

[iiipopes]

Will he cement the leak?
K

It's not that big of a deal to spread the joint slightly, emory cloth both sides to clean it, apply flux separately, and solder it properly, sweating in solder as the flux boils away.

[imperialbari]

Will he cement the leak?
K

It's not that big of a deal to spread the joint slightly, emory cloth both sides to clean it, apply flux separately, and solder it properly, sweating in solder as the flux boils away.

That's a dentist's modus operandi?

K

[iiipopes]

Will he cement the leak?
K

It's not that big of a deal to spread the joint slightly, emory cloth both sides to clean it, apply flux separately, and solder it properly, sweating in solder as the flux boils away.

That's a dentist's modus operandi?

K

Actually, dentists around where I live now use a composite epoxy filling material that is cured and hardened with UV light, then buffed to match the occlusion. Now, if he were to figure out how to snake his blacklight up through the tubing, he could epoxy it; otherwise, it's either duct tape or have a tech fix it properly.