another dependent system F tuba

[TYA]

Does anyone know the brand of the tuba where the rotaries are placed in a zig zag pattern?

[Cameron Gates]

Herein lies the key to making the 2250 do your bidding. If you just have to use a big, ol' mouthpiece, the 2250 will be more work in the upper register because the entire horn across the range is very open. It plays very evenly and the sound and response match in evenness. If your are trained to play a German style rotary F, the 2250 will seem foreign. You will have to undo the adjustments that you may have built into your bass tuba routine.

We tend to let the horn in our hands flip a switch for us on what to do regarding approach. We expect certain feedback and play accordingly. We add resistance or openness to accommodate what we have learned is necessary to produce what we seek. We do this without thinking. Our bodies do it for us.

The 2250 will not play like a German F. It plays more open and evenly. More like the really good, in tune, colorful sounding Eb tuba that I could never find.

I like the C4 (modified) and a couple versions of the Tilz M9 on the 2250. None of these have throats that have been enlarged.

The Blokepiece solo was too open and tubby on the 2250 (but, it's very nice on a rotary F that needs it's attributes...).

The 2250 is a great match for my contra bass tubas. No accommodating, no adjustments. Just grab and go.

It is thought like this that makes Tubenet such a valuable resource. Well put.

L, if you don't make it to the Army show this year I am sending a Harry and David's flamin' bag o' dog sheet to your doorstep.

I hear you don't wear shoes around the house.

Sack up and drive. See you in a month.

[Bob Kolada]

How're the partials on this family of tubas?

[AHynds]

Man, MW is really pumping out the new models these days (a good thing, in my opinion). I'm really going to take a good look at this horn, provided they actually bring some to the U.S. in the next year. I'd be really curious to see what effect the dependent valves has on the playing characteristics. Herr Brandstotter does mention something about an especially open low register in that video, so hopefully that's a good sign about this new model.

[imperialbari]

There is at least one word I don’t understand in the Brandstötter video. I is shortly after 15 seconds in from the beginning.

What did they take from an Eb tuba and adapt for an F tuba?

Klaus

[Ferguson]

It'd be an interesting idea on a 321 euphonium especially (as opposed to the current option of picking one note over the other), though personally I'd want to try it on a nice American baritone.

Done.

Ferguson

[imperialbari]

This 6 valve tuba layout could be considered approaching a double tuba in F & C, only the C side is down to 2 valves. As the C side is inserted in the F side, the 3 valves on the F side can be used to help out on the C side. This approach has similarities to the 3+3RV Viennese tuba.

Klaus

[Bob Kolada]

It'd be an interesting idea on a 321 euphonium especially (as opposed to the current option of picking one note over the other)

Done.

Ferguson

Ah, but I specifically mean TWO valves. I'm aware of the new and old dependent fifth for the 321.

[Alex C]

Does anyone know the brand of the tuba where the rotaries are placed in a zig zag pattern?

You might be asking about the Kronos tuba, apparently made by Melton. I see it listed as a Schagerl Kronos Tuba but a pdf brochure I've seen has a Melton logo.

I didn't find the tuba listed in the Melton website but I didn't look too hard. Thein used to make something similiar but it seems to be gone from their website.

Go here http://www.worldbandmusic.com/Galerias/ ... large.html

Wilfried Brandstötter of Mnonzil Brass plays this particular model. Five valves and 2 triggers for slide throws. Over 11,000 euros, yeow!

[imperialbari]

Kronos_A5_Web.jpg

[MartyNeilan]

...and I'm not-at-all certain that some of these pinches and distortions do not offer some positive effects.

On my so-called "BART" project, the bell, bugle, mouthpiece receiver, and leadpipe (although shortened slightly) all remained the same. The length mouthpiece to tuning slide remained the same. Yet, the sound timbre is different with the four piston cluster replacing three of the four rotary valves. Not necessarily better or worse, but just a little different. Even my non-tuba-playing wife picked up on this. There is a certain "something" that the twisted, pinched, and distorted airpath of rotary valves do to color the sound of the horn, that is different than the straight through path of a piston valveset with all the valves in the up position.

[bort]

blah blah blah tuba design blah

But Joe, it *LOOKS* cool! Who cares 'bout the rest?!

[ShoelessWes]

blah blah blah tuba design blah

But Joe, it *LOOKS* cool! Who cares 'bout the rest?!

To me, it looks like Melton is cranking out a bunch of exotic-valveset F tubas using the 45SL-P bugle.

It worked for Besson.

[TYA]

Does anyone know the brand of the tuba where the rotaries are placed in a zig zag pattern?

You might be asking about the Kronos tuba, apparently made by Melton. I see it listed as a Schagerl Kronos Tuba but a pdf brochure I've seen has a Melton logo.

I didn't find the tuba listed in the Melton website but I didn't look too hard. Thein used to make something similiar but it seems to be gone from their website.

Go here http://www.worldbandmusic.com/Galerias/ ... large.html

Wilfried Brandstötter of Mnonzil Brass plays this particular model. Five valves and 2 triggers for slide throws. Over 11,000 euros, yeow!

I think their was another one too. Not made by Melton.

[bisontuba]

Anything you say Joe.....

Mark

Mark,
Due to original design restrictions, I've added a DEPENDENT 5th rotor to an Eb instrument. The pitch correction limitations were precisely as outlined by cjk.

Joe-
Yes, with a dependent 5th valve, two notes will use valve combinations that won't involve the 5th valve....sooooo? How does it play? Are alternate fingerings available?

Why not inquire to the folks using the Meinl Weston BBb 195, 196, and/or 197-198 and their dependent 5th valve and see if they like it........

Mark

PS. Wondering if Gemeinhardt made the 195, 196, 197-8, and this 2260 with dependent valves, would folks turn their nose up at them....hmmmm.........

[bisontuba]

I believe that on an Eb tuba, the 2 & 4 combo ( instead of 1-2-3 & pull 1st slide) would be for a low A--low B that was mentioned would be for a F tuba-FWIW....