Medium deep is ideal. Not too hot, not too cold 
When you say "both shank sizes", be aware that the two sizes under discussion are *not* tenor and bass 'bone, but European euphonium and bass 'bone.Radar wrote:6.5 AL is a pretty common size for Euphonium players in early and intermediate stages. Big enough to get good tone, but not too big that it's hard to play. Shilke 50 is equivalent in size, both the Bach and Shilke sizes are available in both shank sizes.
In the euphonium world at least, a 6 1/2AL is typically a step-up mouthpiece for intermediate level middle/high school students. If "emulating the proper sound" is a primary criterion, a 5G (or a Wick 4.5AL or 5AL or a Yamaha 52) than a 6 1/2AL, which is at the extreme small, shallow, and bright ends of the spectrum of what these days is generally considered to be the "ideal" euphonium sound.XtremeEuph wrote:Again, these horns aren't playing much more than a couple scales, and twinkle twinkle little star. Something for future-teachers to be able to learn quickly so they can emulate the proper sound to their students.
Agreed with the rest of what you said.pgym wrote:
Medium shank mouthpieces are few and far between, and what few there are tend to be expensive. It may end up being cheaper to have the receiver on the B&H changed to a large shank and buy two large shank mpcs.
Yes. So is my community band friend.XtremeEuph wrote:Note that these "students" are all adult , university musicians.
Only if you're allergic to LexanPMeuph wrote:Agreed with the rest of what you said.pgym wrote:
Medium shank mouthpieces are few and far between, and what few there are tend to be expensive. It may end up being cheaper to have the receiver on the B&H changed to a large shank and buy two large shank mpcs.
The most affordable medium shank mouthpiece readily available in a store seems to Denis Wick 4AM. The price on Mouthpiece Express is less than a Bach 5G. ($61.99 vs $63.99)
-- the Kellys are $27 if ordered direct from the manufacturer, or $25 at WWBW.Except he's not asking about "classic choices" for intermediate or advanced euphonium players, he's asking about appropriate choices for non-euphonium players whose SOLE interest and need is to be able to play a few scales and simple tunes in a classroom setting:bbocaner wrote:Most of these replies are way off -- 5g, 6.5al, schilke 50, schilke 51 are all WAY too small for the instruments you mentioned unless the player has an extremely dark natural embouchure. Wick 4AL (large shank) or 4AM (euro shank) would be the classic choices for those instruments.
That makes the Wick 4 a singularly inappropriate recommendation for its intended user group and purpose.XtremeEuph wrote: Im looking for something that isn't too big for someone who has almost never played a brass instrument,but has the skull of a grown person Medium deep is ideal. Not too hot, not too cold
bbocaner wrote:Most of these replies are way off -- 5g, 6.5al, schilke 50, schilke 51 are all WAY too small for the instruments you mentioned unless the player has an extremely dark natural embouchure. Wick 4AL (large shank) or 4AM (euro shank) would be the classic choices for those instruments. Schilke 51D (or a clone) is a little smaller in diameter and a little deeper, and is the more standard american (bowman) school of playing choice. You could also look at the DEG BB1 which is a lot like the 51D. You could also look at one of the Wick SM or SM Ultra series in the player's choice of size.
True. I like the Kellys, I own more than I should. I have used them quite a bit. However, for several reasons I would shy away from recommending them to "band directors in training."Kevin Hendrick wrote:
Only if you're allergic to Lexan
You are correct I was referring to Tenor and Base bone shank I didn't realize that one of these instruments was the European Medium shank variety, they are much more expensive but can be ordered on-line. I would still recommend the 6.5AL or Shilke 50 Rim and Cup dimensions for the players discribed in this thread.Kevin Hendrick wrote:When you say "both shank sizes", be aware that the two sizes under discussion are *not* tenor and bass 'bone, but European euphonium and bass 'bone.Radar wrote:6.5 AL is a pretty common size for Euphonium players in early and intermediate stages. Big enough to get good tone, but not too big that it's hard to play. Shilke 50 is equivalent in size, both the Bach and Shilke sizes are available in both shank sizes.
I took a quick look online earlier -- didn't see Bach medium shank advertised. Small (tenor) and large (bass), yes, but not the European euphonium (medium) shank. Schilke does make their line in medium shank, but they're a *lot* more expensive: Mouthpiece Express lists the small and large shank Schilkes at $64, and the medium shank (which they consider a "special order" item) at $106.
Who's that?tstryk wrote:bbocaner wrote:
Well - if this is so, one of the most outstanding euphonium players in the world uses a mp that is way too small - 6 1/2 AL