"An purposely designed" Schiller - "reclaimin" the sound

[cjk]

I do find it interesting that they can copy a $6000 compensating euph and sell it for $1000, but a $15000 BAT copy sells for $7000.

Although all(?) BATs are some sort of "copy" of the York design, the tuba in question isn't exactly a clone. Not to mention that it's really an American-based company who designed/sells the tuba, and it's just being built in China. You are comparing it to Chinese-based manufacturers and vendors who resell their products in the West. Much different situation.

Regarding the BAT, I wouldn't count on it costing much less than $7,000 any time soon, and that's a good thing.

So when a Chinese company copies something on its own, it's bad, but when an American tells them what to copy, it's ok?? Really???

[bort]

Well, if that's what my post said, it's not what I intended it to say. More like, my impression was that more R&D went into that BAT than just straight-up cloning another instrument, so that naturally makes the price higher. Not to mention, the involvement of an American company in the R&D, so again, that makes the price higher.

More than anything, this is my dig on the "Designed in USA, manufactured in China." labels that companies seem to love using these days.

[Wyvern]

So when a Chinese company copies something on its own

I don't think the Chinese ever decide to clone a western tuba on their own. All the tuba made in China were originally initiated by some western dealer taking copy of what they want made to China and paying tooling costs for it to go into production.

The difference with Big Mouth tubas is that an original prototype is developed, rather than 'off the shelf' design used as basis.

There is the potential for less expensive Chinese made BAT in the future...

[Dan Schultz]

So if schiller decides to clone a 2165, we can expect it to sell for less than $3000. Interesting. ....

'Schiller' doesn't decide to clone anything. It's just the house brand of Jim Laabs Music. Whatever horns Laabs sells are available to any other music store or individual who wants to set up a mail-order Internet-based business.

You can buy the same horns from respectable business or individuals. Heck.... JinBao will probably sell YOU five at a time for a descent price.

[bort]

$3,000 is very wishful thinking.

[Wyvern]

Whatever horns Laabs sells are available to any other music store or individual who wants to set up a mail-order Internet-based business.

You can buy the same horns from respectable business or individuals. Heck.... JinBao will probably sell YOU five at a time for a descent price.

Not necessarily true! Depends on the contract covering production. Horns can be produced exclusive for one company to sell as are the Big Mouth ones

[Dan Schultz]

Whatever horns Laabs sells are available to any other music store or individual who wants to set up a mail-order Internet-based business.

You can buy the same horns from respectable business or individuals. Heck.... JinBao will probably sell YOU five at a time for a descent price.

Not necessarily true! Depends on the contract covering production. Horns can be produced exclusive for one company to sell as are the Big Mouth ones

Geeze, Jonathan.... I'm trying to defend you against the likes of Laabs Music.

[Wyvern]

Geeze, Jonathan.... I'm trying to defend you against the likes of Laabs Music.

Dan, they may well be exclusive to Wessex...

[Michael Bush]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schiller-Americ ... 460c40fd05

What fun. Sometime between the listing that started this thread and the one they posted today, they fixed the listing, spelling "reclaiming" correctly, and made it bold and underlined it to make sure we noticed!

So, Person at Laabs Music, since you're reading and responding to what we write here, when are you going to fix the rest of it? (You could start with the capitalization errors, but I'd really like to have an explanation of "Frankfurt, Germany.")

[Wyvern]

JinBao will probably sell YOU five at a time for a descent price.

$967 ea - have to buy 5 - plus $270 to have the lot shipped to a port 5 miles from my house.

Shipping is a LOT (like 10x) more expensive than that as you would soon find out if you tried. Plus paying for agent fees, security inspection (sometime a second too!), bond charges and customs duty.

[UDELBR]

Shipping is a LOT (like 10x) more expensive than that as you would soon find out if you tried. Plus paying for agent fees, security inspection (sometime a second too!), bond charges and customs duty.

I bet Jonathan's gotten the crash course in all this the last couple years.

[Wyvern]

Shipping is a LOT (like 10x) more expensive than that as you would soon find out if you tried. Plus paying for agent fees, security inspection (sometime a second too!), bond charges and customs duty.

I bet Jonathan's gotten the crash course in all this the last couple years.

Learned from experience on the job mate!

[Wyvern]

Shipping is a LOT (like 10x) more expensive than that as you would soon find out if you tried. Plus paying for agent fees, security inspection (sometime a second too!), bond charges and customs duty.

I am just going by what JinBao quoted me. I have never imported anything nor do I intend to start. Just wanted to get an idea of what they really do cost.

I just wanted to give some reality. The exceptional low prices charged by some dealers must give only minimal profit