Check this

[Tuboss2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3BttaXTvhs
Check it for me guys. Recorded my self to see how I sound.

Questions for y'all;
How loud am I playing? (Dynamic level)
Does it sound good?
Would this sound carry outside?
What are the positives and negatives?

That's really all I need answered guys. If you have anything else to say about the video, any tips you may have, please offer it.

[Tuboss2]

Well, it sounds alright knowing I recorded using my iPhone. So..ya.
I think I was playing a Fortissimo...maybe a forte. Something like that.
Would it carry? In my opinion, I'm not good at knowing what would carry and what won't. But I'll say It can carry.

[Mark]

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG-aRBLmA8s. Take special note of the point where he says you may never have to play this loud in a orchestra. I've sat next to Chris when he was playing loud. The floor was vibrating so much I think my chair was moving. But, he always had a good tone. If you don't have a good tone, you are playing too loud.

[Tuboss2]

Well, yes I learned the fanfare from that video.
And I'll do that. I wasn't really as focused when playing it, ill own up to that. But I'll maybe make another vid of it somewhere die the line. Did you gather anything else from my video or was that it?

And mark, I'm about to watch that video.

[royjohn]

Well, we know from previous posts that you have an overriding concern with being loud, but it isn't really possible to tell how loud you are, given that you're recording into an iPhone at unknown gain with a mic of unknown quality in an unknown room and it's coming out of Youtube at an unknown volume boost or attenuation. To me, it sounds a little blatty, like you're overblowing and producing some edge to the sound, but maybe that is what you want and it is really difficult to tell, given the unknowns in this process.

It is a choppy piece with mostly staccato, so it's hard to tell how you'd do with legato and phrasing, but maybe if you are playing in a marching band this is not a great issue.

To me, being loud and penetrating is one thing and blending in and providing a floor under the ensemble is another.

I think you will need to find one or more people in your audience who can tell you if they hear you and how they hear you. You can be heard above everything by being blatty and bright, but this is not necessarily what you want in an ensemble. A smooth tone which undergirds the ensemble and isn't really heard individually that much could be wonderful tuba playing. This is best judged by people on the hall or on the fields where you play, but if you submit more recordings, they would have to be of you with your group so that we can judge how you fit into it or stick out from it.

[Mark]

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG-aRBLmA8s. Take special note of the point where he says you may never have to play this loud in a orchestra. I've sat next to Chris when he was playing loud. The floor was vibrating so much I think my chair was moving. But, he always had a good tone. If you don't have a good tone, you are playing too loud.

Good tone is subjective.

Meaning?

[Tuboss2]

Well, we know from previous posts that you have an overriding concern with being loud, but it isn't really possible to tell how loud you are, given that you're recording into an iPhone at unknown gain with a mic of unknown quality in an unknown room and it's coming out of Youtube at an unknown volume boost or attenuation. To me, it sounds a little blatty, like you're overblowing and producing some edge to the sound, but maybe that is what you want and it is really difficult to tell, given the unknowns in this process.

It is a choppy piece with mostly staccato, so it's hard to tell how you'd do with legato and phrasing, but maybe if you are playing in a marching band this is not a great issue.

To me, being loud and penetrating is one thing and blending in and providing a floor under the ensemble is another.

I think you will need to find one or more people in your audience who can tell you if they hear you and how they hear you. You can be heard above everything by being blatty and bright, but this is not necessarily what you want in an ensemble. A smooth tone which undergirds the ensemble and isn't really heard individually that much could be wonderful tuba playing. This is best judged by people on the hall or on the fields where you play, but if you submit more recordings, they would have to be of you with your group so that we can judge how you fit into it or stick out from it.

yes, it is supposed to be played with a good amount of edge because it is a loud fanfare. That's the way it was meant to be played. And group playing, eh sure l'll look into that whenever I'm doing something that invovles 2 or more people. I'm trying to achieve a good fair bit of edge, but still keep it under control. I'll make another video of me playing something else and most likely post it on this topic. Then maybe y'all could listen and provide a little better outlook on it.

[bigbob]

Are you high school?? and are you playing a sousaphone I play alone so I cant be a judge but to me your ombisher needs strenghened (please excuse my spelling) seems to me like you play a note and then there extra vibration I guess of the lip ...but of course my observations hold no meaning since I can't judge myself just what I hear from you ....listen to Arnold J on our site in the tip part and hear what you should sound like...If I knew how to record myself I would just for comparison sorry I'm not more help......BB

[bigbob]

Welll why don't YOU help him out??? if he only wants to play loud??Didn't AJ ever play loud?? sound fundimentals wether in a band or orchestra are the same arn't they??./.BB

[Tuboss2]

Thanks Kiltie; that is exactly what I'm aiming for; HBCU Tuba Sound.
I do listen to Famu along with other sections, and try to imitate what they do and how they do it. So it's a process I'm working on. Orchestral sound...eh not really what I'm after guys; no offense. Arnold is amazing but I'm not after his style.

Any other things you can reccomend me for me to get closer to that HBCU style of playing? Videos, tips, etc..
Thanks.

[Biggs]

the Seattle Sounders FC Sound Wave band ( the only professional sports band, I believe)

nope

[royjohn]

I don't know how we were all supposed to know from the get-go that what the OP was after was the typical, somewhat raunchy sound of a bunch of sousys at a football game. I don't have a lot of experience with this, but I did attend lots of Lady Vols basketball games with my kids for several years and, yes, the tone of your excerpt did remind me of how they play their fight songs during the game.

As to how loud you are, again, I think it's impossible for a recording to tell that. You'll have to ask someone who is there when you play. It does have an edge to it and should cut through, but that's only one dimension of loudness.

I think it is great that you have such enthusiasm for this. . .getting a loud and penetrating sound can certainly teach you something about playing the tuba. However, it ought to tell you something that many other people don't think much of playing this way and are trying to steer you in a different direction. It's a pretty limited style, no? Maybe appreciating that takes aging out a little, though. I wouldn't rush that. Enjoy where you are as long as you can.

[royjohn]

You mean it depends on how limited the people you are playing with are?

[Tuboss2]

Ya. It sure is limited. My own band directors are completely against it. So that does out a damper on things but carry on lol.
I don't understand why people are so against it. It a different concept of tuba playing and shows people that a tuba can do a lot more then the om-pa BS.
So in a way you could say I'm trying to make a point to other people that a tuba can overpower a whole entire ensemble if in the right players hands. The biggest bell in the band+ a louder player=nothing but bass.

I'm gonna keep on working on developing that edgy style, after my lip heals lol, got a minor bump on it, nothing big.

[Biggs]

the Seattle Sounders FC Sound Wave band ( the only professional sports band, I believe)

nope

OK... care to enlighten me?

Oh wait, what am I thinking? TubeNet members don't like to offer helpful information...

No, I don't care if you're enlightened, but I can think of these off the top of my head:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore' ... ing_Ravens
http://www.chicagobears.com/gameday/drumline.html

[Mark]

... It's a pretty limited style, no? ...

It depends on who you're playing with.

You mean with a good or bad ensemble.

[k001k47]

the Seattle Sounders FC Sound Wave and ( the only professional sports band, I believe)

OK... care to enlighten me?

Oh wait, what am I thinking? TubeNet members don't like to offer helpful information...

No, I don't care if you're enlightened, but I can think of these off the top of my head:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore' ... ing_Ravens
http://www.chicagobears.com/gameday/drumline.html

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

[b.williams]

I take it you watched this:

LOL!!!!

[bigbob]

I take it you watched this:

Wow I agree with your cartoon terry...It dosent even sound like a sousaphone like all the other members...If he wasn't soloing and was playing with them wouldn't his sound bring uneven harmony and throw the rest of them off?? Is he what Edgey is all about?? no thanks.....BB

[Tuboss2]

I take it you watched this:

Wow I agree with your cartoon terry...It dosent even sound like a sousaphone like all the other members...If he wasn't soloing and was playing with them wouldn't his sound bring uneven harmony and throw the rest of them off?? Is he what Edgey is all about?? no thanks.....BB

hm, are you talking about the first soloist? If so, yes he sounded like a bass vuvuzela (which can be cool at times).