Tone check please

[Tuboss2]

First: I played with a straight forward air stream, then I said "2nd", that was to indicate me playing going to play with a Downward air stream.
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCc-t0JCe ... XijyN2kzOA

Non mobile: https://youtube.com/channel/UCc-t0JCebn ... XijyN2kzOA

Man oh man! After I said "2nd" I love this that I produced here due to aiming the air stream downwards. All the noise in the sound(in my opinion) was eliminated when I did that.played like that. The attacks in my opinion were a lot better.

Usual questions.
Improvement made?
Dynamic ?
Things to work on?
Thanks Roger for the tip.

At poster above: when I say dynamic I mean how loud am I playing?

[james]

Okay. Now for my famous question - which lip is doing the work? Is the upper on vibrating against the lower lip or is the lower lip vibrating against the upper lip?

Roger

Roger,
I've never understood what you mean by this. When I buzz with a visualizer, both of my lips vibrate an equal amount. It is quite possible I've been doing it wrong all these years, but I've also observed other professional brass players buzz on a visualizer many times and never seen what you are describing.

Respectfully,
J

[Donn]

The downstream/overbite connection might not be a general consensus either - I don't know that it isn't, just something I'd check out before I'd put it into my forthcoming textbook on how to play tuba.

[Tuboss2]

There's some that's been having me think a bit...I was thinking, would it be ok to have a certain tone for certain pieces? Like for stand tunes, marching band music, pop tunes, or tunes for football games, I could use an edgy loud sound in general for those, then for concert music, a more mellow and relaxed gentle sound(except for marches).

I was just thinking ya know, a different timbre/tone color for different genres of music.

[Untersatz]

I would work on producing a "good tone" for EVERYTHING! and when you need to crank up the dynamics
to fff you should still be able to do that with a good tone, NOT overblowing & making it sound all
blatty & distorted. Let the other idiots play that sh*t! Tuboss2 it's not too late to save yourself. If you learn
how to play with a good sounding tone & a proper attack, that's something that you can use the rest of your
life. After you get out of school, there may be community concert bands & other smaller ensembles to play
in & they are ALWAYS looking for tuba players. But trust me, there is NO PLACE for that blatty, overblown
crap in these types of groups & they will NOT allow it. Outside of these "sousaphone wars" there is no place
in the music would for that crap, so I would work on developing a good tone that can serve you well for years
to come. As a few others have suggested, start working on some etudes & it can help you develop a nice tuba
sound. Tubas can sound beautiful when the are played correctly.

[Tuboss2]

I would work on producing a "good tone" for EVERYTHING! and when you need to crank up the dynamics
to fff you should still be able to do that with a good tone, NOT overblowing & making it sound all
blatty & distorted. Let the other idiots play that sh*t! Tuboss2 it's not too late to save yourself. If you learn
how to play with a good sounding tone & a proper attack, that's something that you can use the rest of your
life. After you get out of school, there may be community concert bands & other smaller ensembles to play
in & they are ALWAYS looking for tuba players. But trust me, there is NO PLACE for that blatty, overblown
crap in these types of groups & they will NOT allow it. Outside of these "sousaphone wars" there is no place
in the music would for that crap, so I would work on developing a good tone that can serve you well for years
to come. As a few others have suggested, start working on some etudes & it can help you develop a nice tuba
sound. Tubas can sound beautiful when the are played correctly.

Thanks man. And I know, If I let my self do so I could easily get sucked into the usual teenage-young adult tuba blast sound. I was thinking if if would be ok to play stuff with a little bit of edge if applicable.

And I can play at FF and still sound good. FFF...going to head back into the practice room and see what I come up with. Good sounds always. No matter what type of music....need to get that In my head.

[Untersatz]

I was thinking if if would be ok to play stuff with a little bit of edge if applicable.

Actually yes, there are times when the music calls for this, but you wouldn't want to play a piece all the way
through in a "blastissimo" style.........that just wouldn't be right! And I think a lot of people would be very
irritated..........including the conductor When a note is accented & the dynamic marking is fff
sure a little edge is sometimes wanted. When you see this, it is OK

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[Tuboss2]

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCc-t0JCe ... =c4-feed-u
There's my FFF playing...haven't really done this much, so y'all take a listen that'd be nice.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCc-t0JCe ... =c4-feed-u
For goodgigs^

[Untersatz]

Really ? Ya think so ? (I don't)

You "don't" what? Brian

[Tuboss2]

Of course blatty playing in a concert isn't ideal...but sometimes music writers are a bit insane.

Anyways,
I've made great strides during this Thanksgiving break. Thanks guys. I'm not all the there yet. But I'm getting there. I'm gonna master loud playing. Even though everyone in my HS band says I'm the loudest player they've ever heard. Haha.

[Untersatz]

I'm gonna master loud playing. Even though everyone in my HS band says I'm the loudest player they've ever heard. Haha.

Why don't you try to master soft playing? It just isn't always about playing loud
Learn to master a quality tone at all dynamic levels both loud & soft. I'm not a teacher,
but I think you might benefit from working on playing long tones. Many of your notes are
breaking up & not coming out clean sounding. It's just a thought to try & I'm no expert,
but I would give it a try & see if it helps.

[Lectron]

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[k001k47]

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The tilde character is interesting.

[k001k47]

It's great!

[sousaphone68]

Tubaboss2 I never thought I would use this phrase on this forum but some times it has its uses you should really ask a teacher.
When I first found this forum I thought that I had found a source of information to improve my playing .
There is frequently good advice to be found here and you have had some in this thread but I tied myself up in knots trying to follow some of the advice offered in other threads so much so that after 2 years of reading and 25 years since my last lesson I gave in and found a pro willing to take me on for lessons.
After the first lesson I knew that I had made the right decision there is no substitute for one on one instruction and to following the instruction even if it feels counter intuitive at the time.

[Untersatz]

I gave in and found a pro willing to take me on for lessons.
After the first lesson I knew that I had made the right decision there is no substitute for one on one instruction.

+100

[Tuboss2]

I know, financial situation guys. But it doesn't mean I'm not trying to get help.
The financial aid for lessons is 9 dollars/month. Half off the actual amount which 18/month.
My parents are pretty tight money wise...not poor but I don't think they have money to throw around for lessons for me.

[Mark]

I know, financial situation guys. But it doesn't mean I'm not trying to get help.
The financial aid for lessons is 9 dollars/month. Half off the actual amount which 18/month.
My parents are pretty tight money wise...not poor but I don't think they have money to throw around for lessons for me.

You have an iPhone?

[Jay Bertolet]

I'm SO happy to see the quick response to "I don't have any money". Folks wanting free tuba instruction, ask yourself this question: How did the guy you're asking for free lessons get the knowledge you're looking for? So many younger folks today just do not understand the concept of working for what you want. I have the same problem here with students that will not purchase their own horn yet constantly have a nice car, a smartphone, etc.

There is simply no excuse for not mowing a couple of lawns, working a few hours a week, whatever you need to do to produce the tiny amount of money required to pay a pro for some quality instruction. I don't know how long lessons are or how many you get per month but believing you can't find $9 per month says to me that you're already done as a player. The sacrifices required further down the road for a playing career are going to be WAY worse than that.

[Ken Herrick]

Very well put Jay.

I too worked to earn money for lessons and to buy my own instruments while in school.

Maybe this whole thing is just one big troll. OR Just somebody who seeks his minute in the spotlight.