Hi-
Dan was kind enough to sell me his piston .750 4v det. bell c. 1929 CC HN White/ King tuba-, so a few pics are in order:
Rotary CC .687 bore King (model 1293?) and Piston CC .750 bore King (model 1246?)--Front view:
Serial # of piston (c. 1929):
The piston King plays quite nice--lots of dents, but a future overhaul of it will be planned. The bells are interchangeable on both horns- a nice feature...
Mark
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Nice! It seems your collection is coming together nicely!
Just out of curiosity, did you get it from Dan Schultz or Dan Oberloh? I don't remember Dan Schultz having a King CC when I stopped in for a visit over the summer.
Jordan
King 2341 with a Holton "Monster" Eb bell
Eb Frankentuba
Martin Medium Eb Helicon
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bort wrote:Shipping that CC back to him for restoration?
Hi-
Will have it done locally by my repairman.....Dan's work on it would be fantastic but I just don't want to have to have it shipped back to the opposite coast and then back here again.....
Mark
Those photos bring back memories. I have previously owned one of each of those tubas. I loved the sound of the rotary alved King but the intonation problems were insurmountable. My piston valved King was a 5 valved, custom model that was made for Fred Geib. The sound was great and the intonation was real good. Unfortunately, my body rejects King pistons and after 10 years of mounting right hand pain, I sold it. Mike Lynch is the current owner.
Randy Harrison
Proprietor,
Harrison Brass
Baltimore, Maryland USA http://www.harrisonbrass.com
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Maryland Conservatory of Music
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Tubajug wrote:I'm curious, do those detachable bells fit a "modern" 12/2340/41?
Are tenons on the detachable bells that you have on the rotary and the CC the same size as on a King 1241/2341 or 1240/2340 or are they a different size?
Perhaps all my slashes are confusing the question...? Sorry.
Basically, would the bells on your Kings pictured here fit on other King tubas such as the 1241? I'm just curious to know if the size changed over the years or not.
Jordan
King 2341 with a Holton "Monster" Eb bell
Eb Frankentuba
Martin Medium Eb Helicon
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving's probably not for you.
jonesmj wrote:Hi-
Never having owned a King 2341 or other similar BBb horn, I am the wrong person to ask....sorry.
Mark
I can't comment on the horns that Mark has pictured. However... I DO know a bit about other detachable King bells as follows:
King 1240/41-2341/41 tubas have a detachable bell tenon 6 5/16" diameter... same as the regular-size King sousaphones.
King 1291 'Monster' tubas have a detachable bell tenon 7 1/8" diameter... same as the tenon on a King 'jumbo' sousaphone.
King 'pit' model tubas have a detachable bell tenon 5 1/2" diameter... different from any other King I've run across.
Maybe Mark can check the dimensions of the tenons on his horns and post.
Dan Schultz
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Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
I got My King, .750" piston valved tuba from Warren Deck. Though the tuba was made in the 1920's, Deck had King make him a modern 16" diameter bell for it. The modern bell tenon fit the old King tuba with one thickness of duct tape wrapped around the tenon to slightly tighten the fit. King has apparently not changed their basic tooling for years.
Randy Harrison
Proprietor,
Harrison Brass
Baltimore, Maryland USA http://www.harrisonbrass.com
Instructor of Applied Brass Performance
Maryland Conservatory of Music
Bel Air and Havre de Grace, Maryland USA http://www.musicismagic.com
Hi-
Finally got my c. 1929 HN White/King .750 bore 4 piston valve 19" det. Upright bell piston CC brass (with some lacquer remaining) tuba back today from the repair shop after having major 'de-denting' done, soldier work, alignment, bell flange work, etc. --the upright King bell is probably not the original, but it works great ( also have the bell front for it-- it too had 'de-denting' work done to it-but I'll probably never use it except as an ornament!). This horn I would put up against any vintage 4/4 -5/4 CC York ( I'm not kidding!). An amazing sound, very easy to play, pitch on the money--I am a happy camper!!! Thank you again to Dan for selling it to me--someday might even have it prepped and ready to have silver plated-but happy as it is right now!
( I'll start my "slush fund" soon....).
Why White/King didn't make more of these old CC piston horns (or I wonder if King today even has the original tooling for these .750 bore pistons?)--I just shake my head in amazement. What a great tuba!!
Mark
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KiltieTuba wrote:Are you talking about the collar where your bell attaches to the body or the ferrule where the bell stack is soldered to the bell elbow?
Sorry about the use of jargon. Tenon == the male piece that slips into the female receiver on a removable bell horn. Also the male part on upper sousaphone leadpipe (gooseneck), woodwind joints, sax necks, etc.
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The .750 bore tubing is still sold through Allied supply. I was grateful for it in repairing a Monster rotary... perfect fit.
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