Thein Tubas added to Database

[UDELBR]

The price? It is expensive, but if you order a handmade masterinstrument and get a good service it does cost.

There's cost, and COST. Can you think of any good reason why a Thein should cost almost twice what my handmade Nirschl York copy cost?

[UDELBR]

Why buy a Ferrari? You can just as well buy a cheap korean car if you are going from A to B.

Ah: Thein = Ferrari, while Nirschl = 'cheap Korean car'.

[TexTuba]

How is the 5 piston CC set up? I have only seen a CC with either 5 rotors or 4 pistons plus 1 rotor. I tried to get a larger pic but it's not available...




Ralph

[UDELBR]

If you want something special you might have to pay some more.

Ah: Thein = "special"; Nirschl = not "special". I guess if one laid out the kinda bread you (or possibly your benefactor) coughed up, they'd have little choice but to wax enthusiastic.

We are talking art, being a professional musician.

Wouldn't know about that, being a mere Tuba Operator myself.

[Alex Reeder]

jeez, guys, lighten up!

[MikeMason]

uncle beer, we have way too few fulltime pros on our board. please don't run one off. i can see your point,but sometimes you just keep quiet in hopes of learning something.i use all points of view in shaping mine,but especially value the comments of fulltime pros who have paid the high price to be a pro.

[TexTuba]

The five piston valve BBb is also an unusual set-up with the 5th valve integrated into the 4th valveslide:

What an odd looking setup. Reminds me of that Jupiter "open-wrap" design. I sure hope it plays better though.



Ralph

[UDELBR]

...but especially value the comments of fulltime pros who have paid the high price to be a pro.

Heh. How does MikeMason know that UncleBeer's not a fulltime pro? (I assure you, I am.)

Look, all I've done is call Lars' odd precept that "$ = 'special'" into question. Of course he's welcome to enjoy the instrument of his choice, but to assume (as he has) that instruments that cost less can't be "special" is patently absurd.

[MikeMason]

uncle beer, since your profile is blank, it's kinda hard to tell...

[Chuck(G)]

Hi all,

Nimrod our database manager just added the Thein instruments to the tuba database. Thanks to Thein for their lightening-fast response to a request for a catalog.

Check them out at: http://www.tubanews.com/thein-tubas.html

They have an interesting EEb with 5 pistons (3+2) and 2 thumb operated slide triggers - anyone played it?

Thanks for the update, Rose! I had assumed that every Thein was a "custom" instrument and there were no standard models. I feel appropriately disabused.

If you're also after the unusual, perhaps you should write the good folks at Glassl and include their insstruments? While not what one might call "professional", they are interesting.

http://www.musik-glassl.de/

[Paul S]

I look at price ranges for horns as I would for vehicles. I also believe “specialâ€

[funkcicle]

Look, all I've done is call Lars' odd precept that "$ = 'special'" into question.

1)No you didn't because 2)that seems to be more the precept you're trying to put forth as his, than he is actually putting forth.

A handmade Nirchl is a great instrument, built to specifications determined before the thought of that tuba ever entered into your head. No matter what, you will be altering your technique to comply with those design schematics. The impression I get from Lars is that the tubas were built to suit his needs so that he could play on what was most efficient for him.

Personally, I've never played a tuba that didn't have to be worked against in some respect..if such a tuba existed, I would be more than willing to spend a half a year's salary on it(come on really.. people spend more on cars, so what's the big deal? We should consider ourselves lucky that tubas are so inexpensive). Lars has a couple of tubas that, to him, embody what tuba playing should be. And as Lars said, if you find the same with your Nirchl, then good for you! That's what tuba playing is all about. Either way, the cost is incidental to the instrument. My two tubas cost' $3,000 and $900..I came to these tubas through a combination of what I do with them and how much I make with them. There are, of course, instruments that are "better" than mine, but my life situation right now equates to ownership of these particular tubas. And you've got your Nirchl, and Lars has his Theins, and we're all happy(well, 2/3 of us seem to be).

So what's the point of being a jerk because you feel somebody paid too much for their tuba? Real "pro" attitude indeed.

[Chuck(G)]

You have got a point there. I was speaking to one of the violinist in my orchestra the other day and her violin cost £35,000 (I guess that is about $60,000), and it is nothing really special - just a professional violin.

It's even more startling when the cost of the bow is included. Those sticks hung with hair from the south end of a horse can get to be very pricey indeed.

[KarlMarx]

If any maker of real brass instruments, in casu Thein, has his products derided by the compilateur of the above musical-instruments’-almost-look-alike, then that maker should feel himself knighted into the brassmakers' Hall of Fame.

It is al fine being frustrated by never making it beyond an inferior provincial orchestra. It is less acceptable to take ones frustrations out on first the formerly so fine TubaEuph, which has now been run into oblivion (this is not a chiding remark, it's an empirical observation provable by numbers).

The really sad thing is, that this frustrated person appears to exercise some influence on a self-alleged horse-droppings-kicker.

Some strong posters have stayed on TubeNet: José, the Eugene Guy, Daniel O., and the Texan medic. And then of course the old fiddlerina out of Tucson.

But where are the Rayfish from Miami, the Stuffy guy from Atlanta, and the Nurse of the Fort?

Carolus Marximus Worriatus

[Rick Denney]

...but especially value the comments of fulltime pros who have paid the high price to be a pro.

Heh. How does MikeMason know that UncleBeer's not a fulltime pro? (I assure you, I am.)

Look, all I've done is call Lars' odd precept that "$ = 'special'" into question. Of course he's welcome to enjoy the instrument of his choice, but to assume (as he has) that instruments that cost less can't be "special" is patently absurd.

The only place I saw the notion that "$=special" is in your interpretation. What I saw in Lars's post was "Thein=special," and he gave particular reasons what he thought so. He also said that a Nirschl would also be special if it did for you what the Thein did for him. How is that saying "Nirschl=not special"?

I believe Lee Stofer owns and plays a Thein bass trombone, having paid about twice what the competing high-end bass trombones cost at the time. He has said here that he never regretted the decision. I've never known Lee to advocate a position that spending more yields more in every case.

Lars is the only person who has ever posted on Tubenet who actually owns a Thein. Let's listen.

Rick "mindful that if the price was too high, there would be no customers" Denney

[UDELBR]

... the above musical-instruments’-almost-look-alike...

As I recall, those instruments were sold for around $500. Imagine that: a custom built musical instrument in tuba range for $500; that's 1/70th the price of a Thein tuba. Of course at that price point, we may also assume it's imbued with only 1.4% of a Thein's "specialness".

Uncle "deftly dodging KMarx' odd ad hominem" Beer