New piston F tuba clone??

[bisontuba]

Hi-
Anybody figure out what piston F tuba Wisemann has cloned? Or is this their own design? Will be at next week's Frankfurt MusickMesse....
Mark

[DouglasJB]

Maybe a modified 822? The pistons location look about right to be an 822, but the 5th keeps me at a loss.

[bisontuba]

Silver Dragon is the PT-6P clone...
Mark

[bububassboner]

Looks like a cut down besson to me. I'm sure it'll be much more in tune than the besson F prototypes...

[cjk]

Looks like a Kalison F tuba copy.

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[bububassboner]

Looks like a Kalison F tuba copy.

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I stand corrected. Interesting choice. Never heard much about the kalison f tubas. Time for some tubenet searching!

[cjk]

Interesting choice. Never heard much about the kalison f tubas. Time for some tubenet searching!

Yeah, That seems to be an odd choice. Their PT6P copy plays better than the originial. Maybe this will too.

[bort]

Yeah, That seems to be an odd choice. Their PT6P copy plays better than the originial. Maybe this will too.

Maybe the lack of Kalison F tubas indicates that won't be too difficult...?

[MikeMason]

Unless there is some legal reason(which hasn't seemed to be a factor in past cloning), you gotta scratch your head at this choice.petruska,yam 822,gronitz,and why not HB? Would all have built in followings.

[UDELBR]

Those Chinese, someone play joke, Italian F tuba make them go broke...

Ya mean "go Bloke"?

[bububassboner]

I spent some time with this horn at the Musik Messe on Saturday. It wasn't a bad horn. The thumb ring had been jerked around a bunch so it wouldn't stay in one spot but normally would be fully adjustable. The horn had a very usable low end while not being super challenging up high. The C above the staff (middle C) seemed to want to play low to me. I couldn't tell any other pitch problems in that hall (last day and drums were in the same hall this year) but I would want to spend some time with a tuner before I would buy one. The fifth valve linkage was weird. I have never played a horn that had such a long throw for the fifth valve. My hands aren't small and I had a hard time pushing it down all the way. If the thumb ring wasn't broken it might have been better but if I owned that horn I would need to do something about it. The horn wasn't as big as I thought it would be. It looks a bit like my Besson Eb, but every part is about 15% smaller/shorter. If you got one with good pitch and fixed the linkage it wouldn't be a bad horn at all. I didn't catch a price from them but if they aren't too spendy I'd most likely pick one up.

[TubaZac2012]

I spent some time with this horn at the Musik Messe on Saturday. It wasn't a bad horn. The thumb ring had been jerked around a bunch so it wouldn't stay in one spot but normally would be fully adjustable. The horn had a very usable low end while not being super challenging up high. The C above the staff (middle C) seemed to want to play low to me. I couldn't tell any other pitch problems in that hall (last day and drums were in the same hall this year) but I would want to spend some time with a tuner before I would buy one. The fifth valve linkage was weird. I have never played a horn that had such a long throw for the fifth valve. My hands aren't small and I had a hard time pushing it down all the way. If the thumb ring wasn't broken it might have been better but if I owned that horn I would need to do something about it. The horn wasn't as big as I thought it would be. It looks a bit like my Besson Eb, but every part is about 15% smaller/shorter. If you got one with good pitch and fixed the linkage it wouldn't be a bad horn at all. I didn't catch a price from them but if they aren't too spendy I'd most likely pick one up.

Thank you for the review! Is it as good as the Wisemann 900? I eventually have to buy a CC and F and thought about getting either this new F, Mack PT-10 copy, or the Packer PT-15 copy. I'm more of a piston guy, though, so this is right up my alley around what I would ultimately want. Was the low end better than the PT horns, similar to a yamaha, or was it still like a normal F tuba low end like a PT horn? I really would like to give one of these a try. Did they say when they're going to be available?

Thanks again,
Zac

[bisontuba]

I haven't found a "big" or "plays big" piston F tuba that I believe I would keep forever (and never end up selling)...but that's just me. I'm an old fart, and I like what I have.

That having been said, if the Chinese going to steal yet another design, the ones to consider stealing (imo) would be the M-W 2250 and the Mira 1281. I believe I could learn how to play either of those (at least, the "real" versions) in tune without struggling all the time.

Agree 1000%...
Mark

[Bob Kolada]

I played a 1281 for everything for about a year. The only intonation issue I had was 12 D being a bit high and some low range valve combo compromises. The low range also lost it a bit below low C. C was great, B on down were noticeably different. I ended up playing Bb 124 and push when I really needed a quiet, solid Bb. I don't really have any experience with the 2250. I did play a Firebird near the end of my time with the 1281 and found it a little better in that range.

[Bob Kolada]

You get out of here with your logical thinking!!!