NAME THAT TUBA...!!!

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The Big Ben wrote:
the elephant wrote:
Tubaing wrote:meinl 32 with york bell?
Kevin, I authorize one cookie for you as well!

I post pics here too much. Plus the prior owner posted these in his for sale ad, so they have been around some. Very good memory.

It is a MW 32 with the valves taken down and reordered so that 5th is on the bottom. It has a 1941 York Monster Eb bell in original unsilvered finish.
Kevin spends too much time on TubeNet and not enough time doing his math homework.

Or so I've been told....
Perhaps I should also stop reading Song and Wind during math?
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Tubaing wrote:Perhaps I should also stop reading Song and Wind during math?
Never!!!!
That's how I made it through calculus. Well, that, sleeping, and figuring out how to program the graphing calculator to make a program to tell me how much i would need to cut off an instrument to raise it a certain number of semitones (i got reallllly bored sometimes)
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Tuba Guy wrote:
Tubaing wrote:Perhaps I should also stop reading Song and Wind during math?
Never!!!!
That's how I made it through calculus. Well, that, sleeping, and figuring out how to program the graphing calculator to make a program to tell me how much i would need to cut off an instrument to raise it a certain number of semitones (i got reallllly bored sometimes)
Well? What's the equation?
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Um...I have really been frying my brain lately, and my calculator is in the desk drawer at school. But I think it's soemthing along the lines of
Y=N/2^x/12
N is the original legnth of the tubing
X is the number of semitones higher that you want to go
I'm not entirely sure this is right, seeing as I don't have a calculator to check it on, and I just woke up so my mind isn't working too well, but this is pretty much the gist of what it was. I wrote a program for the calc to get it to that point where you just enter "original legnth=" and "number of semitones raised"
I wanted to get it to the point where you put in the key of the horn and the key you want it in, and it does it for you, but...well, school was over by that point...and we were working in 3d, so i really needed to pay attention.
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Here's a new one.
Mystery Tuba.jpg
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the elephant wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:Here's a new one.
Mystery Tuba.jpg
B&S CC tuba, pre-Perantucci. Maybe a PT-1 in C? (Do they even make those?) I think it is a 4/4 CC based on slide length. But I do not really like B&S tubas, so I really do not know many of their model numbers.

A guess. But not a WAG.
Not completely out of the ballpark, but not correct.
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I'm guessing Cerveny F tuba?
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Uncle Buck wrote:Here's a new one.
Mystery Tuba.jpg

Weltklang F tuba.

The reasons being:
It's obviously made by B&S.
It lacks German silver slides like B&S branded stuff.
It's obviously an F tuba, but it's not a B&S F tuba.
It was originally four valves.
The fifth valve was added later and doesn't quite match.
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cjk wrote:
Uncle Buck wrote:Here's a new one.
Mystery Tuba.jpg

Weltklang F tuba.

It's obviously made by B&S and is an F tuba, but it's not a B&S F tuba. :)
Correct, sir!
And you are also correct in your recently edited addition about the fifth valve. It was added by Rudy Meinl.
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I'll try to keep these pics within reason for size.

FYI, there are "resizing" features to get these photos down to something manageable.

Anywho:

#1 (pretty easy):
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#2 (little harder):
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#3 (kinda tricky):
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Matthew Gilchrest wrote:I'll try to keep these pics within reason for size.

FYI, there are "resizing" features to get these photos down to something manageable.

Anywho:

#1 (pretty easy):
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MW32.
Matthew Gilchrest wrote: #2 (little harder):
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Besson 3+1 BBb
Matthew Gilchrest wrote: #3 (kinda tricky):
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Ancient Holton 6/4 with funny "scooped out short action" sorta valves and a Miraphone 190 bell. You bought it from Chuck Guzis.
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Stalker!
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Matthew Gilchrest wrote:Stalker!
Nah, the first two were easy. When the Holton was for sale first by Chuck(g) then later by you, I thought it was a very interesting instrument. It was easy to remember.


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Tubaing wrote: Image
Nothing yet? Maybe from this angle?
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Nothing yet?!??!!?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31358&p=275006#p275006
I guess I could have been wrong, but I did make a guess about this one. The extra view makes me even more confident that it's a Besson Eb. A little one...one of those 3 valve top actions like one I used to have (great Bydlo horn, but not much else).
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Sorry, I indeed chose an arrogant assortment of words. I was intending a message more like: no fully correct answers. And indeed this is a Besson Eb, but I'm looking for the line, (sovereign, imperial, ect.) and no one correctly guessed that.

I'm quite surprised that no one got the one I posted near the bottom of page 6.
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Tubaing wrote:
Tubaing wrote: Image
Nothing yet? Maybe from this angle?
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Hawkes & Son Eb?
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Not quite J.C.
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Tubaing wrote:Sorry, I indeed chose an arrogant assortment of words. I was intending a message more like: no fully correct answers. And indeed this is a Besson Eb, but I'm looking for the line, (sovereign, imperial, ect.) and no one correctly guessed that.
No arrogance presumed, just a little lack of clarity.

I doubt there's enough in your photos to truly identify the model beyond "small Besson Eb." I've seen many of them with that characteristic design on the mouthpipe braces and the little button on the bottom for a strap. Is it perhaps this one?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26760&p=231904&hili ... on#p231904
Even if that's it, and even with the full picture, I don't know enough about 120 year old Bessons to tell you what the model name might be. I can't help but notice that there's no model listed in your ad to sell it...are you fishing for the correct name of the model??? :D
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Yeah, that's the horn. I declare you the winner. I don't know if it had a model (didn't have a number model), but I was looking for either "prototype" or 40 Metals of Honour. I don't know if those would be correct for this game though.
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