Well then, I stand corrected. Thanks!Scubatuba wrote:Yes the MRP uses the Fafner bell and bottom bow; it really has nothing to do with Buffet
Group as far as involvement or marketing as Dan was working on that horn before the merger.
As someone who is just coming back from a ~7 year hiatus it's amazing to me how much the market has changed... when I "left" the then-new Conn tubas were the holy grail of all purpose tubas and had gone up in price by $1k/yr a few years in a row, now Tubenet hates them and they sell for under $3k? Academia and online classifieds were littered with $3500 Miraphone 186s left and right and now they're $9,000??? Hirsbrunners have fallen into the 4-figure range? Kanstul now makes tubas that cost more than a duplex in the midwest? Pretty big changes in under a decade, goes to show how fickle the market is.58mark wrote:Serious question...
It's nice to see rotary horns on the upswing again, everything is cyclical
It's just a new batch of "hot" must-have tubas, a new batch of young players, and significantly higher prices on new and recently-purchased-but-now-used tubas. Yep, some of the models that were hot in 2005 have fallen out of vogue.funkcicle wrote:
As someone who is just coming back from a ~7 year hiatus it's amazing to me how much the market has changed... when I "left" the then-new Conn tubas were the holy grail of all purpose tubas and had gone up in price by $1k/yr a few years in a row, now Tubenet hates them and they sell for under $3k? Academia and online classifieds were littered with $3500 Miraphone 186s left and right and now they're $9,000??? Hirsbrunners have fallen into the 4-figure range? Kanstul now makes tubas that cost more than a duplex in the midwest? Pretty big changes in under a decade, goes to show how fickle the market is.
So I basically slept from 2005-2015, were the market shifts as drastic between 1995-2005? 1985-1995?
I love my Hirsbrunner and it was worth every cent. My firebird has an easier low register than my previous piston F tuba...Tom wrote:It's just a new batch of "hot" must-have tubas, a new batch of young players, and significantly higher prices on new and recently-purchased-but-now-used tubas. Yep, some of the models that were hot in 2005 have fallen out of vogue.funkcicle wrote:
As someone who is just coming back from a ~7 year hiatus it's amazing to me how much the market has changed... when I "left" the then-new Conn tubas were the holy grail of all purpose tubas and had gone up in price by $1k/yr a few years in a row, now Tubenet hates them and they sell for under $3k? Academia and online classifieds were littered with $3500 Miraphone 186s left and right and now they're $9,000??? Hirsbrunners have fallen into the 4-figure range? Kanstul now makes tubas that cost more than a duplex in the midwest? Pretty big changes in under a decade, goes to show how fickle the market is.
So I basically slept from 2005-2015, were the market shifts as drastic between 1995-2005? 1985-1995?
Here's my opinion on all you really missed...
-Alan Baer went from Miraphone to working with Meinl Weston and developed a couple of CC tubas and big F tuba. The 6/4 sized model [6450] cracked the $20,000 ceiling when introduced and the /2 version [handmade] goes for over $30,000 new.
-The Meinl Weston Thor was introduced and has overtaken the Miraphone 129x tubas for those that want a piston CC that isn't a PT-6p. A new model just came out, the Ursus, which is a 4/4 version of the 6450...likely to be the next must-have tuba.
-Rotary F tubas are cool again and everyone that has one swears the low register doesn't suck. Big piston F tubas are so 2002!
-Chinese tubas are everywhere. Some are pretty good, apparently. They're cheap, but getting more expensive.
-Kanstul is trying to make some more "mainstream" tubas. I hear the model 90 CC is very good as is their small F tuba. I've never seen either of them in person.
-The Yorkbrunner seems to have [somewhat] fallen out of fashion. Several have come up for sale, used, for $15k or less. Other Hirsbrunner models seem to regularly sell under $10k used. Other companies have caught up to Hirsbrunner, pricing wise which may have taken a bite out of the Hirsbrunner resale prices???
-Lots and lots of mouthpieces are out there, many in stainless steel. Good stuff.
-I almost forgot...now it's cool to have a BBb tuba, especially to play in an orchestra.
And on tubenet we still get the normal questions about BBb vs. CC, pistons vs. rotors, lacquer vs. silver, what tuba is a 5/4 or 6/4, and so on...
Funny, I remember people saying the same thing about Japanese brass (Yamaha)...Scubatuba wrote:First off, yes parts are available if you are an authorized dealer, if not, pm me.
Second Many believe that the Wisemann 900 wins in a 3-way competition. Uh, sorry but are you honestly comparing a Chinese tuba to a German one? And who is the third in this playoff? Wisemann makes some good stuff but the Chinese brass will never be as good as the German brass, period. sorry if you don't agree.
Thank you Idine- Dan's intent with the MrP was for it to sound more BBb like.
Thank you Curmudgeon- from someone who has actually played a GR51.....
You have no idea how much that made me laugh!bloke wrote: I have a Chinese bronze Clara-bell on my tuba...
bloke "whose photoshopping abilities are absolutely astonishing, are they not?"
Having played the German versions of the Wisemann 900 and the Packer/Sterling F I wouldn't buy the German versions even if the prices were lowered to that of the Chinese versions because I think that for these two models the Chinese versions (at least the ones I've played) have better playing characteristics than the German ones.Scubatuba wrote:
Second Many believe that the Wisemann 900 wins in a 3-way competition. Uh, sorry but are you honestly comparing a Chinese tuba to a German one? And who is the third in this playoff? Wisemann makes some good stuff but the Chinese brass will never be as good as the German brass, period. sorry if you don't agree.
