Minor third 5th valve for CC tuba

[smurphius]

Can anyone provide me a link to a fingering chart or just give me a rundown of the fingerings for CC tuba with the minor third valve rather than the more typical flat whole step? When I first learned CC tuba fingerings, it was on a flat whole step valve. For the past 6 years I've been playing BBb but have recently switched back to CC with the minor third 5th valve. It's maddening!!!

I'm pretty comfortable with the following:
Db/C# - 125 or 24
Gb/F# - 125 or 24
F - 235
E - 45 or 234

And then when I think I've got it, these just stump me at times:
Eb/D# - ???
D - ???
Db/C# - ???

[Ben]

For my particular 184 with the valve setup you inquire, your uncertain combos that work are:

Eb: 145 or 134, depending on chord/intonation placement
D: 1245 or 1234 pull... depending on intonation again
Db: 1345

[bisontuba]

For my particular 184 with the valve setup you inquire, your uncertain combos that work are:

Eb: 145 or 134, depending on chord/intonation placement
D: 1245 or 1234 pull... depending on intonation again
Db: 1345

+1

[bort]

...and 12345 will give you a good *soft* pedal C. Useful for when you want the note, but don't need to nail it to the wall.

[Phil Dawson]

Thanks Bloke, I was beginning to wonder also. Phil

[balchb]

Sharp major third...

F 235
E 45 or 234
Eb 145
D 345
Db 1345

I don't remember the exact intonation intricacies... This is what I remember from my BBb Miraphone I had in college.

[southtubist]

My Alex has that kind of 5th valve. I tune my 4th slide to being a perfectly in tune 2+4 combination. I then use my 1st slide a lot and mostly play it like a 3 valve tuba.

I use 5th for low E (1+3+5 pull), low Eb (2+4+5) and low Db (2+3+4+5). This is on the Alex, so I basically never use it. You don't really need a 5th valve on an Alex.

In the past, I played a Miraphone 190 with this kind of 5th valve. I played the low C# and low Gb with 1+2+5 and it worked well. Sometimes I'd play low F with 2+3+5, but usually just 1+2+4. In this case, I played pedal D with 5+1+2+4. Eb was 2+4+5. Everything else was the same as a regular tuba. In this case I tuned the 4th valve to have in tune D's and G's, with 2+4 substituted with 1+2+5.

I assume my Miraphone system will transfer over to your horn. I played a 184 (4 valve) next to the 190, and they had very similar characteristics.

[Art Hovey]

Doesn't your third valve alone give you a minor third?
Does your 5th valve do the same thing?

Further discussion can be found here:
http://www.galvanizedjazz.com/tuba/5thvalve.html