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Postby Stryk » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:26 pm

Who else is facing or has faced the reality of needing to use lighter horns? What did you do or what do you plan on doing? I am getting to that point. It is not an issue at home, but it is getting to be one for rehearsals - I can't always take the horn that I think would be best for a particular group. I would appreciate any and all input.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Stryk » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:34 pm

thejester10276 wrote:What type of case(s) and tuba(s) do you most often use? I use a hard case with wheels which works fine for pushing/pulling a 4/4. If you don't have wheels on your case I guess you could use a dolly plus some bungee cords.

I have the lighter foam/cloth cases with wheels for all of mine. Steps and loading it into and out of the vehicle are also getting to be issues.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby PaulMaybery » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:54 pm

I feel your pain Terry.

Wheels. We need dem WHEELS.

There is a neat contraption called the upcart. It's designed with 3 sets of wheels to handle stairs.

http://www.amazon.com/UpCart-All-Terrai ... rds=upcart" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

I'm so close to ordering one. Even the small tubas present a problem when there is distance involved.

In the mean time I am using a handcart that I bought at ACE Hardware and I strap the Tuba in the gig bag to the tubing with a large Velcro Strap. It's not ideal but it does work.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Stryk » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:10 pm

PaulMaybery wrote:I feel your pain Terry.


Paul, like we talked about, we have the same issue - maybe different causes, but we deal with the same issues. I like that up cart - that may help. The Gard Wheelie has helped a lot, and that is the horn I go to when I have issues, but that IS my small horn. I am thinking it will come down to toting around smaller horns, but I am hoping for an alternative other than hiring someone to tote them around for me! :tuba:
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bisontuba » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:11 am

Don't the Mirafone 184 and 186 ( and the Alex) help out in transporting horns?
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Stryk » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:15 pm

bisontuba wrote:Don't the Mirafone 184 and 186 ( and the Alex) help out in transporting horns?
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The 184 is what I have in the Gard Wheelie - it is the easiest to transport. The big horns that I like to use for band (the Chinese 186 and 1295 clones) are in wheeled cases, but are a fight to carry down the stairs in front of the house and wrestle in and out of the truck. I can still do it now but I see a day coming that I won't be able to. The Alex is in the same kind of wheeled case, but larger than the clones and is a real pain to get around. Perhaps what I am doing IS the easiest thing possible and the only resort will be to only use the 184 and the little Yamaha when the time comes that I can't handle the big ones anymore.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Stryk » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:21 pm

If I were a mechanical engineer, I would try to make a motorize up-cart like Paul shared earlier that attaches to a case.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:30 pm

A 4th valve adds more weight than any other feature of a tuba in particular.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bisontuba » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:34 pm

Just wish somebody in the USA with the knowledge and tooling could make a carbon fiber/kevlar 'Accord' type case(s) for tuba.....
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Stryk » Sat Apr 16, 2016 12:36 pm

bloke wrote:A 4th valve adds more weight than any other feature of a tuba in particular.

The two I like for band have 5 - even more weight. That little 3 valve Yamaha is so easy on many fronts. :tuba:
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby the elephant » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:01 pm

PaulMaybery wrote:Up Cart info...


I may get one of these. I bookmarked the link. THANKS!

I am already very fat, and after the way I abused my knees and arches when I was in the military so that I am no longer allowed to run (part of the reason I ended up getting out) I have recurring issues with them. If I pound up or down stairs with two horns on my back more than just a few times I end up with severe pain in my knees that takes weeks to get over. I also now have rather bad bursitis in my left shoulder, so hoisting my 345 up can really cause me sharp pain. If I cross this threshold and cause a flareup of the bursitis, it affects me very badly for upwards of half a year before it finally goes away. I am on my third such flareup, and it started with a two-horn gig. I hope it goes away soon.

Anyway, I will definitely be trying one of these carts out. Thanks again!
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby GC » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:23 pm

I loved my 25J, but the weight is the main reason why I made the switch to Eb. I'm now interested in adding a small BBb. As much as I love the sound of a big horn, those days are over. Stairs and big tubas are not a good combination for out-of-shape aging folks.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bisontuba » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:43 pm

Time for a new subject of light weight quality CC & BBb tubas....
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:45 pm

bisontuba wrote:Time for a new subject of light weight quality CC & BBb tubas....


If bells/whistles, they'll be paper thin - like one of the two PCK thickness choices.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby the elephant » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:46 pm

bisontuba wrote:Time for a new subject of light weight quality CC & BBb tubas....


You know exactly what I am talking about with this Holton. You were not kidding about how it wears on you over time. WOW! :lol:
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bisontuba » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:34 pm

the elephant wrote:
bisontuba wrote:Time for a new subject of light weight quality CC & BBb tubas....


You know exactly what I am talking about with this Holton. You were not kidding about how it wears on you over time. WOW! :lol:



Oh yeah!!! We speak the same language!!!!
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bisontuba » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:36 pm

bloke wrote:
bisontuba wrote:Time for a new subject of light weight quality CC & BBb tubas....


If bells/whistles, they'll be paper thin - like one of the two PCK thickness choices.


Joe-
I was thinking of a horn just like that for a 5/4 or 6/4 size horn.....
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby ohrlund » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:36 pm

Didn't the valve sections used to be all metal on the tiger tubas?
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:51 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
bloke wrote:
bisontuba wrote:Time for a new subject of light weight quality CC & BBb tubas....


If bells/whistles, they'll be paper thin - like one of the two PCK thickness choices.


I sold one 5++/4 CC tuba in exchange for another 5++/4 CC for exactly these reason. The new one feels like it weighs half of the one I sold did.


The thin-metal PCK I sold to my student (Austin Howle) weighs the same as my B&S Symphonie 6-rotor F tuba.
...Of course, every time he has that instrument down this way, I have to straighten it all back out for him...
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby tuben » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:09 pm

Alexander FTW!
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