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Buzzing is a wonderful exercise/tool. It has his benefits.
But there are several other issues to connect with the buzz, and so I do not believe it is an isololated majic bullet in an of itself.

For instance: The airstream from the embouchure (up stream or down stream) is a critical element of embouchure technique. It is more realistic to exercise that with the mouthpiece in the horn and actually having to negotiate crossing partials or awkward fingered slurs? I think it is.

Balancing the resitance from heavily fingered notes such as 2&4 to open so as not to allow the open tone to "bark."

Dealing with the 4th valve with its larger bore when going from a fingered note in the 1st 3 valves to a 4th valve combination. It always seems a bit strange and sometimes I prefer not to use the 4th valve but to just pull a slide to get a 3 valve note in tune.

So there you have a few examples of certain phenomena that need to be addressed that do not happen with just a MP.

I know some might use the analogy, that only those who can hear the grass grow would appreciated the issues, but they are real and are there.

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Re: For those who favor or discourage free buzzing

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:shock:

I'm typically part of the "those who discourage free buzzing" group but wow! That guy's got chops. I'll be honest, at first I thought the video was doctored but watching through I know it wasn't.

I actually agree with Paul, it has it's uses, most prominent for me is taking a mouthpiece when a horn is not an option but there are others, I just don't find a lot of benefits myself.
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Welp, that's an upstream embouchure!
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That video is impressive but that kind of mouth-farting has no relationship to a brass embouchure and does not transfer any benefits. There is a way to free-buzz that is very beneficial to playing, but most players don't find it on their own.
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This woman plays a pretty mean trumpet, sans trumpet. She even can sound like a muted trumpet.

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Weelllll..... I can do that but don't sound as good as he does. And I say it has little to do with actual playing. However, for demonstrating that the lips *can* buzz a pitch, and that that actually has something to do with the pitch that comes out the instrument, it is valuable. I've seen a youtube of a trumpet *guy* who free buzzes (lips curled under, whaddaya think of that?) in the screech range of the trumpet, on pitch pretty well, and he sounds like a trumpet, too, just like the guy in the OP's video sounds not that far from a tuba.
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