Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

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Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

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Opinions on these two great tubas as do it all horns? Particularly in quintet. Does the slightly smaller bell make a difference?
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler"

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Obviously I think the 16 3/4" bell on the Wessex Mahler is an improvement, but others may think different, as we all have different tonal concepts...

To give some background on the smaller bell. The Wessex Mahler is basically a clone of a Miraphone 186 and the earlier ones of those are reputed to play better. I therefore thought it was worth trying smaller bell on the Mahler which also moves it away from being clone of current Miraphone with which I feel uneasy. The result has exceeded my expectations. I love the more focused tone with the smaller bell and it feels, at least to me, like has even improved the response. However, you need to try and judge for yourself.
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The post was asking for comparison between Wessex Mahler and Mack Brass 410
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

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So it's the bell AND the Z valves??
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

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I should have posted a new topic. And it should include the Schiller CC, the Dillon 410, the TE 410 and the O'Malley 410.
My first question was in regard to the different size bells between the 410 models and the "Mahler".

Second question is, do people like or dislike these tall horns in quintet? That is if you prefer CC in quintet.

Virsatile enough to be "do it all" horns?
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

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I cannot compare the two/several, but my Mack 410CC (gold brass bell) can definitely serve all purposes that I need it for. It is excellent as an ensemble horn, to include quintet. A bit more horn than I want for most solo work, but that's more of a CC problem than a 410 problem.
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Re: Wessex CC "Mahler" vs. Mack Brass 410

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To me the 186 model and the 410 models are perfect quintet tubas. I have never liked the f tuba in quintet as they are just too small. If you look at most high level pro quintets they use a 4/4 cc. The Miraphone 186 and the horns modeled after them are some of the most popular do it all tubas ever made.
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