Feel free to suggest makes and models not listed here, and provide as much opinion as possible. If you have links to existing resources that are similar, I'd love to see em. If this sort of post isn't a good idea, please let me know.
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American Heavy Metal : Sousaphones
Brands to discuss so far:
- Conn
King
Martin
York
Buescher
Holton
E. K. Blessing
Indiana
Pan American
Olds/Reynolds
Conn
Model # Index: https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnSousaModels.html
Best Years: Pre-1980 (Brass quality)
#10 Bore = 0.7188" #10 1/2 Bore = 0.7344" #11 3/4 Bore = 0.7734"
14K #10 Bore Director BBb Sousaphone - Discussion: search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keyw ... &start=60v
The original Conn 14K (Elkhart era) sousaphones are pretty nice. I like them better than the Conn 20K. I group the 14K along with the Continental Colonial, 36K and Selmer Signet sousas. They are all similar with just slight differences between them.
Sound: Very dark, smooth (probably the darkest-sounding of the "4/4" sousas.) But not as clear or textured as the Kings or Yamahas.
Intonation: Above average/good. Flat 4th partial open Bb and second-space C right above it. Sharp 6th partial open F (like the Kings). Really, not too bad though, and everything else is very close.
Craftsmanship/build: Very good. I Think the Selmer Signet may be even better-made because of the thicker bracing and metal used in the valveset. - posted by toobagrowl
“The Conn 14K is probably nearly the best all-around 4/4++ tuba there is: sound, response, intonation, etc. . . The 14K has guts, focus, and just the perfect amount of WHOOMP. . .” - Bloke
20K - #10½ Bore Artist (three valve short action) BBb Sousaphone
As far as 20K's and 14K's go, those are great horns too. The 20K is a 3 valve, short action valve version of a 38K/40K...which are all 6/4 size sousaphones. The 14K is more of a 4/4 size horn but with the same bore size through the valve section, just narrower branches, smaller bell, etc...by TUbajohn20J
22K FIberglass BBb SousaphoneConn 20k is the best sousaphone i've ever played on. that is the one to get. by koterbski
Bloke wrote:Earlier 22K (6/4 body and "short action" .734" bore) sousaphones actually featured FIBERGLASS bell FLARES (not PVC). I believe the sound offered by those bells was superior to that of PVC bell flares, but - well - I still like PVC (on a sousaphone) better than the "after ring" of a brass bell.
32K BBb Lightweight Sousaphone (three valves)
36K #10 Bore BBb Fiberglass Sousaphone with 24" bell.This is a lightened version of a 38K and plays even better !
it was never available with four valves, but that's the only thing
that it could ever lack. I had one for fifteen years and it served me well. by Goodgigs
38K - #10 Bore BBb Sousaphone Grand (three valves regular action) (LP)pjk wrote:I've owned Conn 20K '60's, 32K '30's, 38K '30's, 40K late 20's, 46K late 20's, Holton 180 -'70's?; And still own; Conn 14K '60's, 36K early '70's ~ Hands down the 36K is the best. Why? Best intonation, Easiest to play=more freely
The bore is the same as the popular 14K sousas but the large bows are the same size as the 20K sousas
iiipopes wrote:Yes, the @1930 38K I play is an absolute beast, ...Great intonation up the scale
40K - #10 Bore BBb Sousaphone Grand (four valves) (LP)Tubajohn20J wrote:"Both the 38K's and 40K's are BEASTS of a horn and are definitely my top choices in a sousaphone" ...... In my opinion, you should definitely go with that 38K/40K horn you played because those were just EXCELLENT horns, huge sound, great in all registers and volumes. They hold a higher value also.
Disscussion on 38 & 40K : viewtopic.php?f=2&t=38994
#11¾ Bore BBb Sousaphone Grand Jumbo
46K (3 valves)
48K (4 valves)
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King
Models: http://www.hnwhite.com/Low%20Brass.htm#Sousaphones
- #1247 King Cadet Sousaphone: Regular three valve.
#1248...Same as 1247, but with extra fourth register valve
Standard/Sympony = 11/16 | .687 bore
#1250...Symphony BBb Sousaphone, three valves (
#1251...Symphony BBb Sousaphone, but with extra fourth register valve.
#1257 King BBb: ...Regular BBb Model, three valves. #1258...Same as #1257, but with extra fourth register valve.
Jumbo = 13/16 | .813 bore
#1265 King BBb Jumbo - added in 1928 (* Production since 1925..)
Giant = 12/16 | .750 bore
#1270 King Giant Sousaphone BBb:...Regular three valve.
#1271 Same as 1270, but with extra fourth register valve.
Jamsav wrote:RE: 1250: I am guessing that thats from the mid /late 70s , and I would expect that to be a really fine playing horn ! The ergonomics are good, it can be played in tune and has strong projection. My King sousy is very responsive and is relatively mouthpiece sensitive. It can sound dark and heavy with a deep funnel mouthpiece or can be brightened up by something shallower
bloke wrote:When I've been in New Orleans, the street musicians down there seem to (just about exclusively) have King sousaphones. The King sousaphones (both bore and body...though the bell does flare out 2" wider at the very end) are definitely smaller than 14K sousaphones and (maybe...??) a bit easier to "fill up" (and get "bright", etc.)
bloke wrote:I'm really starting to believe that the .689" bore King may be the best "all around" sousaphone. The intonation is the best of any, the bore offers a bit more control and more definition to the sound, and yet the 26" bell, insures that it still sounds "sousaphone-like". Perhaps (??) the Olds/Reynolds is even better (slightly larger body), but I haven't spent enough time with them.
toobagrowl wrote: As some now know on here, Kings are my favorite sousaphones. I prefer their sound and intonation over the other souzies. They are well made too. Conns are good too, but you already have playing experience on one since you own one. The Kings tend to have a more compact sound than the Conns because of their smaller bore and different wrap. But you can still play loud as heck on one and get a good edge or bite to the sound when you really push it. Can't go wrong with either a King or Conn as they are the best sousaphones made | King BBb sousas have always had a clearer, more textured sound than the Conn BBb sousas, not to mention being better in-tune...
Martin
York
Monster
Olds/ReynoldsYork monster sousa...very heavy but different tapers than any other sousaphone. Tapers bigger than a conn 20k in bore size but the branches don't become too big too fast like the 20k or martin mammoth so these are really underrated sousas and the sound is big and easy. York's other Bb sousa has a small bore and looks mini by today's standards. Never tried their Eb models. Avoid york sousas after 1940. - posted by Lost
Bloke wrote:I view the Olds/Reynolds sousaphones (brass or fiberglass) as a cross between...say...a Conn 36K and a King 2380...Conn 36K-size large-4/4 body with 11/16" ("King" size ) bore. If the delicate brass/fiberglass connections on an Olds/Reynolds aren't torn, broken, or leaky (and the pistons aren't leaky either), you've got something.
WakinAZ wrote:Movable upper first slide, nice. They got that part right.
Buescheriiipopes wrote:...[SIC] Reynolds souzy. Great horn. It is fragile, but a great player. ...Yes, the scale is very, very good. 5th partials are great, better than the Conns, and the 6th partials are not sharp, like the Kings. This one is built in the old-fashioned style of the longer 3rd valve circuit so that 2+3 Gb and Db are in tune and 1+3 C and low F need very little, if any, lipping, or you can pull the top bow of the 1st valve circuit to get 1+3 and 1+2+3 in tune. The privilege tones are right on. This is the first souzy that I have been able to lip or slur from a privilege tone to a conventional tone easily. I could not do that on the Conns or Kings I have played over the years. I really like having a 24 inch bell so it is not quite as "top heavy," as on the Conn 14K, 36K and analogs, rather than a 26 inch bell as on just about everything else.
Holton
Indiana
E.K. Blessing
Pan American
TubaJohn20J wrote:Pan Americans are great sousaphones. They are Conn 14K and 32K sousaphones with a different name on the bell. Most of them are the smaller bell throat like the Conn 14K but I have seen a large bore one similar to a 38K. All great horns with .734 bore standard stroke valves.