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Please help identify this souzy

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Hi there, My name is Cobus and i'm new on the Board.
I found a nice horn, but i'm not sure of the Manufacturer.
The body is exactly Conn-isch build like in the Elkhart Era.
A couple of bracings are missing or not placed at all, Perhaps for Weight reduction.
The 5 digit serialnr. doesn't make any sence to me at all.
I think that the body is an elkhart post 14K model, the bell engraving saying it is from Grand rapids looks like a mismatch to me.
Thanks in advance for the help!

PS. The strange kinked bracing on the first picture is Pan American styled.

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Holton 122 1954 SP
The Martin 1958 GL
King 2350 1975 SP
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From Horn-u-Copia:

"Nick Hager was a dealer who contracted with other makers to have instruments made with his name on the logo (one of which was York), which were primarily made for the school sale trade."
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Like i said i think the bell and body are not matching.
This is not a typical York config is it,
My buddy's 14 k is like a twin brother to this Horn :?
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I'm no expert on sousaphones, but the braces and ferrules look like Conn, especially the unusual cone-shaped brace feet, between the mouthpipe and 2nd valve loop.
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I have tried manipulating the photo of the engraving, but there still are letters that my eyes don’t get. A full transcript would be nice.

With Conn sousaphones I never saw a stay in the loop entering the main circle.

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imperialbari wrote:I have tried manipulating the photo of the engraving, but there still are letters that my eyes don’t get. A full transcript would be nice.

With Conn sousaphones I never saw a stay in the loop entering the main circle.

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Hello Klaus,
The engraving says:
Hager Musical
instrument co
Grand Rapids
Mich
USA
But again i dont think the bell matches with the body.

For the different bracing.
I've seen this extra support on the Pan american.
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roweenie wrote:I'm no expert on sousaphones, but the braces and ferrules look like Conn, especially the unusual cone-shaped brace feet, between the mouthpipe and 2nd valve loop.
That's what i think too, thankx.
Conn 82K 1923 GL
Conn 20K 1952 SP
Holton 122 1954 SP
The Martin 1958 GL
King 2350 1975 SP
Miraphone model 86
Conn Helleberg
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