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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby bloke » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:16 am

Having disassembled both Chinese interpretations of Hagmann valves and Chinese interpretations of Thayer valves, to me (only my opinion here:), they more resemble "mock-ups" of those types of valves than they do replicas.
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:33 am

Hope to have my contra back from the shop soon. Jonathan picked up the parts we needed while he was in China. Hopefully they are an improvement over the originals
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:18 pm

Here's an update.

The repairs on the contra didn't help the fact that the valves were terrible and it has some incredibly stuffy notes. After talking to Jonathan, we decided the best thing to do is just hold off until the new model is released in early summer, and he's exchange the one I have for the new model.

I am very pleased to report that the new contra is 100% better than the old one, and I think wessex has a great offering for the market. The first non-clone contra on the market for less than 3000,and also the first one with modular tuning options for the valve slides, which is something that I don't even think the really expensive models offer.
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:28 pm

Here's a pic of me playing it. It doesn't look like a contrabass because I'm so tall, but it is one. I GREATLY prefer the C tuning for the thumb trigger, it feels more familiar
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby timothy42b » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:36 am

How are the ergonomics?

It looks a bit nose heavy, which I find uncomfortable but doesn't bother some people.
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:03 am

I found the new one to be much better balanced and comfortable than the old one, the triggers felt much better. Yes it's heavy, it's a contrabass trombone, they are always going to be heavy
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby bort » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:21 am

Heavy, yes... but unbalanced?
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:45 am

I don't think so, it seems balanced to me. I will test it one more time this weekend at tmea
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby rumhud » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:08 pm

I thought it felt really well balanced, too. I was also expecting it to be a lot more difficult to play, based on past contrabass trombone experiences I've had.
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:27 pm

Agreed, probably the most natural feeling contra I've played

The traditional bass trombone tuning of the valves has a lot to do with that, but there is a price to pay. You wind up having to use 5th position more often, which is a long way out there on a contra slide

Easy for someone my height , not so easy for everyone
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Bob Kolada » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:40 pm

Can you tune the valves to C and D and just reach out for low G and Gb?
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:51 pm

The one I played was C/Db combined A

Not sure of all the modular combinations yet
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby bububassboner » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:36 am

The first valve can be tuned to either D or C. The second valve can be tuned to either Db or Bb. That way you could do either F/C/Db/AA (I call this the American tuning) or you could do F/D/Bb/Ab (I call this the European tuning) you could in theory mix and match to an extent. The first valve slides do not fit into the second valve.

I actually learned the European tuning first as I started learning contra in Germany and that was the typical tuning. I do however find the American tuning easier on my brain. Certain big licks work better on one or the other so I just made it so you could have both.
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Re: My contrabass trombone obsession

Postby Mark Finley » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:16 pm

very excited to get this trombone when they are in production. My daughter and I are going to ITF this year, and it will be great for the mass reading sessions.
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