Clone of PT6 rotary?
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Clone of PT6 rotary?
There have been numerous well-reviewed clones of the PT6P floating around, but have there been any successful clones of a rotary PT6? I love the 186 clone aka 410 as it keeps getting better every year, but would like to see what they have in the way of something a little thicker. (Maybe the goldbrass 410 would suffice?) I am not looking for the short and fat Hirsbrunner clone. My hearing issues do not get along with short bell tubas. I would want something 186 height or equivalent in a 5 rotor CC.
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
I beleive Wessex will have one soon
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
More of a "competitor" than a "clone" I would guess
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
Wessex have no plans to clone a PT6, but are developing a new similar size tuba to try to better the PT6Steginkt wrote:I beleive Wessex will have one soon
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
Wow,
I am really impressed about the many improved designs based on Hirsbrunner, Miraphone, Bohland & Fuchs and potentially now B&S models. Looks like since decades, we have a bunch of losers in Europe not able to manufacture a state of the art tuba or not willing to improve designs, as such improvements are now made in such easiness and large number by others.
Chris
I am really impressed about the many improved designs based on Hirsbrunner, Miraphone, Bohland & Fuchs and potentially now B&S models. Looks like since decades, we have a bunch of losers in Europe not able to manufacture a state of the art tuba or not willing to improve designs, as such improvements are now made in such easiness and large number by others.
Chris
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
Or to the flip side of this coin, why re-invent the wheel?Chris Mayer wrote:Wow,
I am really impressed about the many improved designs based on Hirsbrunner, Miraphone, Bohland & Fuchs and potentially now B&S models. Looks like since decades, we have a bunch of losers in Europe not able to manufacture a state of the art tuba or not willing to improve designs, as such improvements are now made in such easiness and large number by others.
Chris
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
There is only one "well-reviewed" PT6P clone. The one made by Wisemann. It is top notch. The best horn ever made in China beside Eastman's top offerings.MartyNeilan wrote:There have been numerous well-reviewed clones of the PT6P floating around
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And the pattern repeats itself: innovation, systemization, standardization, insularity. I am glad to see Wessex innovate. Let us hope it is many decades before they fall, if they fall, into the insularity final phase, as other manufacturers who were innovative at one point seem to have done.
OTOH, many other companies in many fields (not just music, but general manufacturing) are still around because they do continue to innovate and stay attuned to the customers. And we will hope Wessex continues to do the same for many, many decades!
OTOH, many other companies in many fields (not just music, but general manufacturing) are still around because they do continue to innovate and stay attuned to the customers. And we will hope Wessex continues to do the same for many, many decades!
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
I don’t think to try and improve is reinventing the wheel. All companies that really care try to make their products better than what has gone before. You just think of the car industry - if they did not innovate and improve we would still be driving around in model T Fordsgroth wrote: Or to the flip side of this coin, why re-invent the wheel?
Thank you so much for your best wishes! I know Wessex does not always get everything right, but everyone in this company really cares and we are working to produce ever better tubas and euphonium...and as long as I am going, that will continue.iiipopes wrote:And the pattern repeats itself: innovation, systemization, standardization, insularity. I am glad to see Wessex innovate. Let us hope it is many decades before they fall, if they fall, into the insularity final phase, as other manufacturers who were innovative at one point seem to have done.
OTOH, many other companies in many fields (not just music, but general manufacturing) are still around because they do continue to innovate and stay attuned to the customers. And we will hope Wessex continues to do the same for many, many decades!
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Go Jonathan! Go!
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Re: Clone of PT6 rotary?
.Wyvern wrote:I don’t think to try and improve is reinventing the wheel. All companies that really care try to make their products better than what has gone before. You just think of the car industry - if they did not innovate and improve we would still be driving around in model T Fordsgroth wrote: Or to the flip side of this coin, why re-invent the wheel?
Thank you so much for your best wishes! I know Wessex does not always get everything right, but everyone in this company really cares and we are working to produce ever better tubas and euphonium...and as long as I am going, that will continue.iiipopes wrote:And the pattern repeats itself: innovation, systemization, standardization, insularity. I am glad to see Wessex innovate. Let us hope it is many decades before they fall, if they fall, into the insularity final phase, as other manufacturers who were innovative at one point seem to have done.
OTOH, many other companies in many fields (not just music, but general manufacturing) are still around because they do continue to innovate and stay attuned to the customers. And we will hope Wessex continues to do the same for many, many decades!
That’s because the model T was prehistoric in its design that led a lot to be desired and improved on. The aforementioned horns work just fine without reinventing them. Adding or tweaking the design on the other hand to make them unique to your specific brand name is a different story and interesting to see what exactly is changed, not necessarily improved upon. The Germans have had 75+ years at their craft as well as the Americans in their York and King designs, which IMO don’t need anything done to them. The new large 6/4 size York copies that are being produced are pretty intriguing however, and there IS room to improve.