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Postby KiltieTuba » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:01 pm

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I bought a King 1291 Monster BBb rotary tuba yesterday. It was on eBay, in my neck of the woods, and took a chance at going to play it at the seller's location. After a little bit of me explaining what it was, we came to a price and I walked away with a nice 1938 beast!

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It needs a little work on the string linkage, but not bad. Has a playing stand and came with a King 26 mouthpiece.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby tylerferris1213 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:06 am

This looks similar to the King Symphony model, which also has string linkage valves. Do you know how similar these are?
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby hrender » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:58 am

Very cool.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby mikebmiller » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:46 am

What does that beast weigh?
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby bort » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:45 am

That's great Ian. I was hoping it would go to someone who appreciated it, and could give it the repair work it needed. Besides being kind of flattened, I hope the rest of the issues are easy(ish) to resolve. At any rate, there are not many of these around, so it's great to see it will be restored and used!
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby roweenie » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:50 pm

Congratulations on your new acquisition!

I'm not a big fan of rotary valves, yet I've always lusted after one of those...... :tuba:
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby bloke » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:09 pm

roweenie wrote:Congratulations on your new acquisition!

I'm not a big fan of rotary valves, yet I've always lusted after one of those...... :tuba:


I was able to toot on a .750" bore one (is that one that size?) for a bit.
Someone sent me their equisitely refinished and bright silver plated one - YET, with the thumb ring broken off its flange.

My job was to remove the flange, braze the thumb ring back on to the flange, polish and re-silver plate the repaired assembly, and solder it back to the instrument while avoiding any detectable repair. Other than being paid, I never heard from the owner, once I took care of the problem...so I suppose they were either elated, disgusted, or nonplussed... :shock:

...oh...How did the tuba play?

I honestly don't remember. :lol:
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby Tubajug » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:50 pm

There's just something cool about those loooong paddles.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby KiltieTuba » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:04 pm

Tubajug wrote:There's just something cool about those loooong paddles.


I brought it down to Mike Nye's to get it playing and he thinks the bar under the paddle may be acting as a stopping point for the paddles and not the stop arm plate. The paddles are a little more flimsy than the Pit tuba's were, so Mike is thinking the cork was to prevent over-pressing the long paddles.

Also, the thumbring prevents the second valve slide from being pulled out.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby KiltieTuba » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:25 pm

tylerferris1213 wrote:This looks similar to the King Symphony model, which also has string linkage valves. Do you know how similar these are?


You're talking about the Pit tuba? Same thing, just a couple more wraps.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby tylerferris1213 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:04 am

No no. Not the pit tuba. King made a 6/4 BBb tuba with string linkage rotors and a detachable upright bell. I believe it was the symphony model.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby YORK-aholic » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:03 am

tylerferris1213 wrote:No no. Not the pit tuba. King made a 6/4 BBb tuba with string linkage rotors and a detachable upright bell. I believe it was the symphony model.


I believe that is what Ian has purchased. They came standard with a recording bell. An upright bell was a $25 dollar option. The recording bell was much more common. If you wanted the upright bell to be fixed (nondetachable) they'd knock $20 off the price. :shock:

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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby tylerferris1213 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:17 am

That explains why it looks so familiar! I've gotten to play a King Symphony Model with an upright bell, and had the distinct pleasure of playing duets alongside it with my Conn Grand Orchestral. There's something special about two BBb American BATs playing duets haha.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby hrender » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:23 am

Symphony was the designator for the piston-valve models 1235-1246. It included the 1240 and 1241, which were the predecessors for the more recent 2340 and 2341. I have a 1927 1240 similar to the one on the right below. Note that there was a Symphony model sousaphone from the same period.

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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby KiltieTuba » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:49 am

I got it back from the repair shop, second valve slide is incredibly short, thumbring needs to be there and the slide is removable.

Still unsure on the cork bracket below the paddles.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby YORK-aholic » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:31 am

I’ve looked at pictures of a lot of the rotaries and never seen a plate to stop the paddles. Perhaps an add on?
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby roweenie » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:47 pm

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I found it interesting that a German maker was stenciling an instrument made in the USA....
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby KiltieTuba » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:11 pm

YORK-aholic wrote:I’ve looked at pictures of a lot of the rotaries and never seen a plate to stop the paddles. Perhaps an add on?


If so, a factory part, doesn't look like the lacquer was removed.
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby edsel585960 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:24 pm

Cool Horn Ian! :tuba:
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Re: King Monster Rotary Tuba!

Postby KiltieTuba » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:05 pm

edsel585960 wrote:Cool Horn Ian! :tuba:


If only I was keeping it... wasn’t expecting a giant helicon to pop up, so this one will be getting sold for the same price I paid. :(
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