Etudes, why?

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:23 pm

tubaboy2005 wrote:Are you saying that there is a version for tuba solo and marching band?

Yes, but only for the second movement

JB · Post by JB » Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:43 pm

tubaboy2005 wrote:... Anyone interested in some etude books for sale?

Okay, what are you selling (and for what price)?

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Dan Castillo · Post by **Dan Castillo** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:22 pm

tubaboy2005 wrote:
windshieldbug wrote:... besides, the Vaughan Williams IS pretty easy if you have a marching band backing you up! ...
Are you saying that there is a version for tuba solo and marching band? I have tell my director right away . I can see it now...me with my yorkbrunner on the 50 yard line with my kick a** Marching band friends behind me. Im pumped man. My Band Director says I have sKillz...oh yeah. What about doing the John Williams with marching Band? How awesome would that be?

Do you really like the John Williams concerto?? That could easily be the worst piece he ever wrote. (IMO)

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:47 am

windshieldbug wrote:
tubaboy2005 wrote:Are you saying that there is a version for tuba solo and marching band?
Yes, but only for the second movement

Perfect! Just the thing for that Valentine's Day half-time show

cornholio · Post by **cornholio** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:07 am

Do you really like the John Williams concerto?? That could easily be the worst piece he ever wrote.

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Why not put a recording of your most recent performance of it on the web, in order that we may decide if we agree with you?

David Zerkel · Post by **David Zerkel** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:35 am

cornholio wrote:Do you really like the John Williams concerto?? That could easily be the worst piece he ever wrote.

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Why not put a recording of your most recent performance of it on the web, in order that we may decide if we agree with you?

Dan is a fine and serious student of music and one of the most musically informed students I have ever taught . Whether or not he has performed the concerto in question has nothing to do with how he perceives this piece relative to the other works of John Williams.

Have a great weekend!

DZ

Alan Baer · Post by **Alan Baer** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:43 am

Hell, if nobody will speak up I will...
Ya, I'll buy every last one of your etude books, they must still be in great shape. Every last one of them... thell me what you have and how many and I'll send the check!
Alan Baer

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:08 am

Alan Baer wrote:Hell, if nobody will speak up I will...
Ya, I'll buy every last one of your etude books, they must still be in great shape. Every last one of them... thell me what you have and how many and I'll send the check!
Alan Baer

That's enough said for me.

numbnutstubist · Post by **numbnutstubist** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:05 pm

Okay, Dave. That's competely fine. But, a truly sucessful musician will generally have the witts to know when to keep their mouth shut about issues that are this ludicrous. If he knows anything about people, he knows that the only things that will happen because of this kind of post is a few people will agree, and most people will have their feathers ruffled. And, after thinking about that kind of thing, why would he actually post what he's posted?? No real good can come of it.

Now, I personally don't care if he finds no point to etudes. It doesn't phase me in the least because his opinion isn't worth any more or less than mine. I'll play mine, let them serve their purpose, and be a better performer because of it. But, when he starts saying that they are pointless, and I know that to be completely un-true, that's when I can truly say that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Sure. he may be a great player, but that doesn't mean that he knows anything about tubists that develop normailly. An example: Floyd Cooley is one of the most wonderful performers in the world. But, a former teacher of mine studied with him and informed me that Floyd's approach involves telling a student "this is what you need to do." That's cool, but he also just assumes that the student will get it without any extra direction. This is because he is a natural player and really didn't have to follow many routines to grow. He just "had it." As a result, he is a teacher that people say "gives you the education just by listening to him." Now, I'm not docking Floyd as a teacher, and I'm not saying that he didn't work hard to get where he is today. I wouldn't be that stupid. But, it's just an example. If the kid doesn't know what it really takes to develop most players, he won't make a good educator and also should not voice his opinions on these issues, since it is an almost foregone conclusion that he will give incorrect information.

That's just what I get out of this kids post.

Hope I don't offend anybody with this, but feel free to email me off the board and let me know if I have.

David Zerkel wrote:
cornholio wrote:Do you really like the John Williams concerto?? That could easily be the worst piece he ever wrote.

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Why not put a recording of your most recent performance of it on the web, in order that we may decide if we agree with you?
Dan is a fine and serious student of music and one of the most musically informed students I have ever taught . Whether or not he has performed the concerto in question has nothing to do with how he perceives this piece relative to the other works of John Williams.

Have a great weekend!

DZ

Lew · Post by **Lew** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:32 am

The original poster of this thread is obviously a troll. Look at all of his other posts and you will see what I mean. I guess he's sitting back and laughing his a** off at the serious responses to this poll.

David Zerkel · Post by **David Zerkel** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:34 pm

numbnutstubist wrote:Okay, Dave. That's competely fine. But, a truly sucessful musician will generally have the witts to know when to keep their mouth shut about issues that are this ludicrous. If he knows anything about people, he knows that the only things that will happen because of this kind of post is a few people will agree, and most people will have their feathers ruffled. And, after thinking about that kind of thing, why would he actually post what he's posted?? No real good can come of it.

Now, I personally don't care if he finds no point to etudes. It doesn't phase me in the least because his opinion isn't worth any more or less than mine. I'll play mine, let them serve their purpose, and be a better performer because of it. But, when he starts saying that they are pointless, and I know that to be completely un-true, that's when I can truly say that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Hi.

I was in no way defending the original poster, as I find his assertions too idiotic to warrant a response.

I was, instead, responding to a remark directed at one of my former guys that stated, perhaps a bit too vigorously, his dislike of the John Williams concerto. Dan is a good guy and I felt like the "If you can't nail it, you have no room to criticize" argument was unnecessary. If I had to perform every piece that I didn't like, just to prove something to some yahoo's request, I'm sure the board would have a good chuckle at my expense!

I am the biggest fan of etudes on God's green earth. I play at least a dozen a day and, as a teacher, feel like they open the student's eyes to new music frequently.

I am sorry if my defense of Dan ws out of line.

Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend!

Best regards,
Dave

numbnutstubist · Post by **numbnutstubist** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 5:15 pm

Dave,

Whoops. I am very sorry for the missunderstanding. I'll try to read the posts a little more thoroughly next time.

Dan Castillo · Post by **Dan Castillo** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:57 pm

Sorry everyone!

ufoneum · Post by **ufoneum** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:58 pm

Doesn't it just make you smile sometimes?!?

CrappyEuph · Post by **CrappyEuph** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:02 am

I have to agree - a troll, and what a troll!
Excellent job, whoever you are. This thread is hilarious!

Tubaman485 · Post by **Tubaman485** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:43 pm

Well I was gonna reply in defense of etudes but it looks like we would be beating the dead horse at this point.

JB

IkeH · Post by **IkeH** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:25 am

How 'bout some clarinet etudes while we're at it, and some clarinets in there for some kindling.

Anterux · Post by **Anterux** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:25 pm

Saxophones burn slower.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:37 pm

Anterux wrote:Saxophones burn slower.

Yes, but they burn even less in-tune than the oboes!

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:01 am

[Yawn.]

Rick "an idiot, wasting life-minutes to read this thread" Denney

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