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Re: why some horns don't sell

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MikeMason wrote: [T]he main if not only reason a horn doesn't sell within a couple months is for one reason only: the price is too high. . . .
Too high for the online auction market.
Too high for buyers looking for low price only.
Too high for buyers needing an installment sale and time payments.
Too high considering transportation, gig bag, and hard case costs.
Too high for buyers lacking an appreciation of value.
Too high for a product with no service attached to the sale.
Too high considering the availability of substitute products.
Too high for a seller looking for a fast sale.

I could go on, but there are numerous reasons.
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I really like the auctions that say: "What you see is what I say it is. No returns no way no how, even if I'm lying.". "If I say the valves are good and they've got more holes than a sponge, tough. I must not know what I'm talking about. If it turns out to be an Eb instead of an F, tough."

Don't laugh. That happened to me--once. I picked up what was billed as an Olds baritone. When it finally arrived, I found a note in the packing that said "It really was a Pan American, I guess I read the label wrong". Fortunately, this was a parts instrument, so it didn't matter to me. But how would you like to buy a B&S, only to find that when it was delivered that it was a Jinbao?

Gives you a really nice warm feeling doesn't it? I make sure that if there's any doubt, the seller will take the instrument back if it's not what he says it is.
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Chuck(G) wrote:
Gives you a really nice warm feeling doesn't it?
Yep. I'm very warm and sleep very well at night knowing I'd never buy from a seller with a disclaimer like that. 8)

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Bloke, I'd like to give your test a try

bloke wrote:OK...It's time for tuba sellin' school! :D

Here's one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NO-NAME-3-4-TUBA-LI ... dZViewItem

Will it sell?

Why or why not...or why probably or probably not?

It will not sell at that price. Too much for a poorly photographed non-engraved instrument. I'd like to play it. If I was local I'd ask to give it a ride first. Then again........$3000.00 might buy that Miraphone below.

Here's another:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mirafone-186-Bb-Tub ... dZViewItem

Will it sell?

Why or why not...or why probably or probably not?

Yes, this will sell. Trashed 186's go for insane money. Snipers are ready for this one.

Here's yet another:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-YBB-201-BBb- ... dZViewItem

Will it sell?

Why or why not...or why probably or probably not?

This one will not sell for that price, period. Unless a frantic soccer/tuba mom with the BMW SUV sees it. It's shiny and it will shut the kid up about a horn.

Here's yet another:

http://cgi.ebay.com/B-S-Perrantucci-PT- ... dZViewItem


Will it sell?

Why or why not...or why probably or probably not?
I'm going NO on this one. Alterations done might not be good for the general player. Cheap old B&S F's are all over the place.

How did I do, Bloke?
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DP wrote:Most of this opinionism is bullshit. There are trollers out there who would have you believe that if a horn doesn't disappear overnight when offered for sale, then its a bowser. Or priced "too high." Or both.
In the case of used horns, that is often the case though. But then again some people will pay too much fro a bad horn they really(think?) they want.

I did, then again, I knew what I wanted, and got it. It was more than the horn was worth, but what I was willing to spend. Granted, it was a couple of grand, but still big money from my very thin wallet
I had people persistently "offering" me 2 grand for a couple of different f tubas I offered the list, not even 1/2 of what I'd offered them for. I am sure the schlubbs knew full well that they'd easily double their investments to buy that low, if theirt intent was to resell. And with that knowledge, who wouldn't sit on a horn for a year or two, especially one that plays well and is useful in the meantime.
If you can afford to wait great. Sometime people will take what they can get.

Why are you so certain that they planned to resell at a profit? If somone has $2k to spend, they'll offer it. Doesn't matter if the horn is worth $3k or $6K. They only have two. Or maybe they don't have a clue what the horn is worth?

I've seen many horns priced well beyond the value I'd give them. And seen them sell at those prices. If I question the price, I might offer what I think it's worth, probably with an explanition of my valuation. The seller has the right to take it or leave it.

But this concerned horns offered form long periods that haven't sold. It can take a while for a willing buyer to reach a willing seller. Then again, that buyer might find a desperate seller and take advantage of the oppournity to.
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bloke wrote:
Most of this opinionism is bullshit.
Not to be a farty-pants (well...maybe :lol: ) but so far, I'm battin' 1000%.
And your analysis was more like grad school when the original test was 6th grade. The 6th-grade answers:

1. No. How does a guy who thinks rotary valves are "horizontal pistons" know a German tuba from tabby cat?

2. Yes. Miraphones always sell when they are reasonably priced, and this was is. Your grad-school answer was that it could have sold for me, if the seller had risked a low bid to allow the bidding to build up some momentum. When your in the business, the risk is easy to absorb. But for a one-time sale, a guaranteed acceptable price might be better than a really good price that also might be a really bad price.

3. Not to a tuba player.

4. Yes. A pro-quality B&S F for around three grand? That hasn't happened in about 18 months (since I bought mine). But here I disagree with your grad-school analysis. The description here was much more brief than the very long and detailed paragraphs I used to read from a certain Memphian seller. This description identified the seller as an experience player and thus added value to the instrument, for those who already trusted the brand.

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bloke wrote:
bloke wrote:
Rick Denney wrote:2. Yes. Miraphones always sell when they are reasonably priced, and this was is. Your grad-school answer was that it could have sold for me, if the seller had risked a low bid to allow the bidding to build up some momentum. When your in the business, the risk is easy to absorb. But for a one-time sale, a guaranteed acceptable price might be better than a really good price that also might be a really bad price.
Well, I choked anyway...

...The Miraphone sold. :lol:
Of course, it might :?: have been that the Miraphone sold because two or three folks on TubeNet said that it was a good deal... :lol:

I still think the Miraphone was a buy. The B&S still makes me scratch my head. F's are going cheap and that one was altered.
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