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Rick Denney wrote: Not Jackson, TN, but rather Jackson, MS. I just looked at the map--Jackson is way too far south for a side trip to Memphis. It's further south than I remembered. But it might be closer to BFE.
120 miles or so NW. Jackson isn't that far from BFE (a.k.a. Starkville) MSU might have a ball game that weekend. I could get tickets.

Get in touch with Wade too, since he lives in Jackson. I might drive down for a drink with you two.
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Chuck(G) wrote:
ThomasDodd wrote:I'm not so sure about that. Many expected $60/bbl would have that effect. Since it'll take $96 to meat the inflation adjusted high of 1979, I doubt $75/bbl would slow much down..
Just my point--oil can go as high as $75 before we have serious problems. Look at what the '79 peak contributed to--double-digit inflation and that dreaded "stagflation".
I agree that $100/bbl won't be good, but I don'tt think it'll be a bad as the early 80's either. We'll all cut back our driving some, but most will use more effecient technologies and vechicles. It might even be good for us in the long run. Make Bio-diesel, solar, wind and nuke more economically vialble options. Currently oil is cheaper than the alternatives. Once that changes, the altenatives will come on strong.
Methinks we're in for some tough times in 2006-2007 when those 'interest-only" loans start to see their first bump in payments. If valuations decline, I suspect some buyers may just mail the keys to the bank rather than pay for a loan whose value is more than the value of the property that's securing it.
Agreed. Intrest only loans were a bad idea. Then again, so are ARMs and other "ballon" loans. Just like the tech stocks in 1999-2000, people have begun to believe housing prices will only go up, and any house can sell in days. We never learn, do we?

No would be a good time to save money. In a few years, you'll be able to buy a lot of house real cheap.
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ThomasDodd wrote:Get in touch with Wade too, since he lives in Jackson. I might drive down for a drink with you two.
It'll be on the 26th or 27th of September.

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Tubaryan12 wrote:On monday I said:
$2.33 in Avon, OH at Circle K is the cheapest in this area.
Let the games begin...this morning on the way to work stations had already started to price at $3.09/gal.....maybe we should change the thread to who is paying the most :shock:
I filled my car on Sunday at $2.60/gal -- today the same station is charging $3.20/gal (for regular in both cases ... premium's up to $3.40/gal) :roll:
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If I have done the math correct, its 6.53/gal in Norway.
So I guess we won`t win this one :oops:
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Just came back in--station about a mile away has $2.69 regular--that's full serve. Perhaps the west coast won't be hit as hard as the southeast.
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Gas is at $3.49/gallon here in beautiful Charm City. Up $1.00 in 3 days.
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And I'm sure he was equally offended at me when he noticed that I was driving a Toyota Prius. I wish people wouldn't try to stereotype those of us who drive hybrids. It's just a car, and it does run on gas!
I'm curious, what are the stereotypes for those who drive hybrids and why would he be offended? (Call me ignorant, but I'm a bit confused.)
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wnazzaro wrote:I believe the stereotypes that people who own a hybrid are smart, ... and are generally better looking than those who drive a vehicle that costs over $50k and gets less than 10 mpg.
Shows how wrong stereotypes can be, huh? ;)

I know the real stereotype is that hybrid owners are knock-kneed tree-hugging former hippie vegans-for-peace who wear Earth Shoes, but the folks I know who have bought them are just regular guys who have to drive a lot and were more interested in saving money on gas than in looking "cool". And now that you can get a hybrid in a Civic, Accord, Ford Escape, and I think some Toyota SUV (Highlander? Not sure), even THAT shouldn't be a concern.
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bloke wrote:...but it's "dumb" for me to buy a used looks-like-new/runs-like-new "regular" car for $4000 that gets 30/35 mpg city/highway...

(Right now, I live 5 miles from work. Soon, I hope to live and work at the same place.)

bloke "Not seeing a lot of used hybrids for sale, and (frankly) feeling a bit shy from buy a used hybrid...Using a brand new hybrid, how long will it take (even at $3+/gal) for you 'save' the extra $15,000-$20,000 (plus financing interest)??...and how much for those replacement batteries?"
Car and Driver (IIRC) did the math and said you'd have to drive a Prius 600 miles a day every day in order to have the gas $ savings balance out buying a plain gas Corolla, which costs substantially less.

In addition, not only are the replacement costs for the batteries rediculously high, but no one has yet thought of a way to dispose of dead ones, which poses an environmental risk.

Not only that, but Toyota et. al. have recieved numerous complaints from people who have not been getting the advertised mileage. Yes, it is possible, but for the majority of drivers and their driving habits, you will not see the magical 50+ miles/gallon the promoters were proclaiming.

Given the now 50% increase in gas prices since that article was written, let's assume it only would take 400 miles a day to balance it out. Still a lot.

If you are willing to shell out the extra $ for a Prius just for the environmental benefits, kudos to you (assuming a battery disposal method has been found). I'm all for it. But the money savings aren't there.

Interestingly, while there's a waiting list for the Prius in most places, the lots are backed up with Civic and Accord hybrids. Why? They LOOK THE SAME as the base Civics and Accords. Seems the Prius sales are mostly either for the APPEARANCE tree-huggery or the individual styling of the car. At least our priorities are there. :roll:
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Hybrids simply arent there yet.

Get em down to $15k and you got a deal....

They simply can't beat, for example, a Corolla, which gets 30/38 MPG, and can be grabbed for about 14-15 grand brand new.

The hybrids end up costing about an extra 8 grand.... So, if I drove it for 8 YEARS, I would make that 8 grand up... whoop-de-doo!!

Not only that, but you are getting an experimental-type vehicle with MANY MANY MANY more moving parts than a standard IC engine. More moving parts=more prone to breakage.

The 100,000 mile warranty (on the electric components) is great... but, what happens then?? By 100,000 miles, I havent made up the price difference with the Corolla... and then what happens when something goes bad? 3 grand to fix the electric motor/batteries?? Worse??

No thanks... I'll try the next generation perhaps... Or, get me a hybrid that gets 120+ MPG, then it will be worth it.

Better yet... fuel cells--MUCH simpler design!
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wnazzaro wrote:
Well, I don't have a Prius, but I do have a Civic, which cost about $3500 more than a comparably equipped Corolla.

"Comparably equipped".... true, but I wasnt talking about comparitively equipped. I was comparing the two BASE models--the base Prius vs. the base Corolla. A lot more than $3500 there!

I test drove both the Prius and the Corolla. The Prius is a much better driving experience--it feels like a higher class car. But, I don't see the point in paying another 8 grand to feel "high class" and save money at the pump--a savings that won't be seen until 8 years down the road... And thats IF the Prius's electric system doesnt go haywire after 100k miles and I gotta pay out-the-butt to fix em!!


I'm glad you have the disposable income to make our country less dependant on oil and gasoline!! Really I am!! But, at this point in my life, I have to worry about the bottom line in my own budget. That is what drives 95% of American families' decisions!!
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