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Fingerbuttons....

The ones one has no fillings, but looks good in raw brass along with the rest of the valve tubing
I do in fact have another set of raw ones with mother of pearl but in use on my CC

I was thinking on making a set out of time correct silver coins, and I might do, but for now

Having to sets in silver with two different greens, I oxidized one of them to get a nice patina
Should work OK

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That is one amazing looking tuba. Well done!
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Beautiful horn, indeed. Where's the "Like" button on this forum?
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Damn. I drooled on the keyboard and had to clean it up.
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WOW!!! for an Eb horn...........that thing is a BEAST!!! :D :tuba: :D :tuba:

Very nice job of breathing some new life back into that old classic.
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Thank You All for your kind words.

It is very playable, but I will not say it's without quirks
The only one very noticeable one thou is a very sharp C staff (1-2),
but running a flat 3rd doesn't introduce any problems and brings it
down to an easy lipable area.

The privileged tones...said it before. Very solid. As I with 5 valves
don't really need them, maybe too solid. I can feel them all the way up
to Eb below staff, and they makes the Bb below a bit troublesome.

I messed up the leadpipe a bit. Hard to see at the picture, but adjusting
in a bit without taking it of and filling it wasn't really one of my brightest
moments. One of the faster ones thou :roll:

But It's OK. I wasn't too comfortable with the black stuff it was filled with
in the first place and it didn't really come out as nice as I wanted.

I started with a higher leadpipe, but got too close to the bell
On an other instrument that would might work, but there's really
something with these York bells. It's like they play music by
themselves......And loud...and what a sound :!:
I needed some distance tho as it was too much.

Being quite fond of my BlokePiece Symphony, I must admit that it takes
a bit to control the horn with it. It's not a fight, but it all moves lighter
with different ones/shallower ones.

But. The result using it is NICE. An enveloping sound commonly associated to BATs
And this from a basstuba. And with an impressive dynamic range capable of
keeping it's tonal character throughout it.

Na, I like it a lot. It has already started to grow on me, but is an instrument that
takes more getting used to that most modern ones I've played.
But that's what it's about. Getting used to. Learning how to play it.

I had several nice comments at the gigs today saying the tuba sounded
phenomenal. What a great sound.

I claimed that was actually me, not the tuba, but I was left no honor.
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You're saying this doesn't look like a tuba part?

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This federalist style brass eagle (that looks more like a sparrow or duck :? ) is to a part of
the thumb-ring/wrist-rest assembly.

It's gonna look better than it sounds....Or. It has too, 'course I can see it really sounds
a bit awkward.
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I swapped the the leadpipe..
It wasn't that damaged, but the quality wasn't too good to begin with
and I wanted to have it slightly lower and at a different angle.

I also wanted to try out an earlier more aggressive taper and have a cylindrical part the last bit toward the valve section

Huge different? Really can't say yes to that one, but I did spot a difference...and it looks and feels good.
Ergo mod. was really the more important here

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Is the new leadpipe any shorter? It looks like it to me, but what do I know? Have you noticed any change in pitch?

Looks great!
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I can see that it might look shorter, but it's actually identical.....Maybe just a tad shorter
It's wrapped more around the throat now compared to the old one.

The picture does not quite justify it. The old one being nice and curvy
Something feminine to it, while this is just a straight stick but it's nicely
shaped around the throat :)
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STUNNING!!!!!!!
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Here's the li'll fella that's gonna hold the thumbring
A little dremmeling, and that would be the final touch of the tuba :!: :tuba: :)

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YORK-aholic wrote:Big beak :shock:
:D
HA HA HA, yes, I can see that one and was waiting for it

I was aiming for a naked lady preparing for diving off springboard with her arms back
but that particular figurine was hard to find :-)
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Now with some time behind the tuba getting to know it's secrets I can add.

It is rather MP sensitive. I can't find a formula on what works and what don't
but what I can state is. A Kanstul Geib is totally not working. With any rims.
BEAUTIFUL tone and excellent response but intonation too much of a challenge.

A small and shallow makes it easier to control but why play a big tuba and
sound like a wet fart? OK. I have a heavy-mass rather shallow that sounded good.

What worked best in most aspects was Blokepiece Symphony, and that was
what lead me to believe that the tuba wasn't very MP sensitive in the first place.
That combined with an AGR. Hate to say it, but that thing works.
It changes the intonation and all of a sudden most of cash is in tune with it-selves
with a few alternative fingerings.

I really enjoy the sound I get to make with this instrument and starts to understand
what that York fuzz is all about :)
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Curmudgeon wrote:These and other large taper American Eb tubas were not designed with a large mouthpiece in mind.

They were designed for someone who is used to playing the smaller American Eb tubas to pick this up and fill out the band a bit more like a like BBb.

Those people were using smaller, shallower, traditional Eb tuba mouthpieces.

Mudgey out.
That was also some hundred years ago :tuba:
I am not sure they had a particular MP in mind when designing it
thou most old MPs I've seen are moderate depth, bore and width
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Although these tubas may have had the small shallow mouthpiece in mind when developed, my experience has been that the Symphony and the Stoffer Geib are the best for these horns. I do not own a York, but do have a Kanstul (which was designed from the York) and a Martin (from the period). Both horns like the large deeper bowl like mouthpieces. I've been on my mouthpiece safari and have tried a lot of different things. When Oystein Baadsvik tried my horns, he tested a couple of mouthpieces. When he tried the Symphony, he said, "definitely more manageable". Most owners of the Kanstul Eb horns use the larger mouthpieces. So with this unscientific evaluation, I believe the larger mouthpieces are best for these horns.
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Well here's a funny one:

I have one 2 piece Symph. and a new 3 piece one
The newer works quite a bit better than the 2 piece.

I might also add. I had the 2 p. made with a slightly larger bore (+.2mm/+ 5%)

I've now ordered new shanks to the 3 p. to try out. One smaller and one larger.
I do not expect the larger to work out, but prefer that one on my compensated.
I am curios thou on the < 8.2mm

And as mentioned. The Geib sounded awesome, but intonation did not work very well.
Cup seems quite similar to Symph. thou.

My experience with a large 6/4 York BBb BAT was that also that one, or we, preformed best
with a moderate bore (not small) MP but a rather generous cup and weight

"have had the small shallow mouthpiece in mind when developed" is also not the same as
"developed for small shallow mouthpiece" so I am not surprised other find the symph and Geib to work :tuba:
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