Teubonium wrote:Don't waste your time trying to learn tricks. Just get you a beginning trumpet book and learn treble clef. It won't take that long.
I have known both clefs since high school and to maintain my proficiency
in the band I play euph in, I take whatever parts are left over (treble or bass) and at any given concert about half my music is treble and the other half bass clef. I don't use any tricks, just know both clefs.
Yup. What he said.
Forget all the razzmatazz. Just do it. Agonizing over it won't help. Just do it. Witeout won't do it. Just do it.
Before too long you'll see the relationship.
It's really just that simple.
But ya gotta do it.
U.S. Army, Retired
Adams E2 Euph (on the way)
Boosey & Co. Imperial Euph, built 1941
Bach Strad 42O tenor trombone
Edwards B454 bass trombone
Kanstul 33T tuba in BBb
Teubonium wrote:I have known both clefs since high school and to maintain my proficiency in the band I play euph in, I take whatever parts are left over (treble or bass) and at any given concert about half my music is treble and the other half bass clef. I don't use any tricks, just know both clefs.
But which bass or treble clef? How would trumpet fingerings by themselves help you to read a clarinet in A part? Or trumpet in D? Alto flute in G? English horn in F? Viola? Horn in H basso?
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I am speaking of euph parts only which are provided in bass clef and treble clef in concert band music.
Teubonium wrote:I have known both clefs since high school and to maintain my proficiency in the band I play euph in, I take whatever parts are left over (treble or bass) and at any given concert about half my music is treble and the other half bass clef. I don't use any tricks, just know both clefs.
But which bass or treble clef? How would trumpet fingerings by themselves help you to read a clarinet in A part? Or trumpet in D? Alto flute in G? English horn in F? Viola? Horn in H basso?
Knowing how to transpose iis a valuable skill worth developing.
Aren't some ouds tuned in B? But then they probably notate in tablature...
Personally I think scale study will have a bigger effect on this. Taking books like the Kopprasch, Tyrell, Rochut, and other books and playing them in another key than they are written would help students apply this. Most of those books are very tonal and transposition is as easy as trying to stay in the transposed mode.
I play a lot in treble clef, but not just "with trumpet fingerings", I think it is really important to be able to play in unison with most of the orchestral instruments and spend a little time each week being able to read and facilitate all the parts.
It is an EXTREMELY valuable skill. Because anything that makes you more versatile gives you MORE chances to play your instrument.
Doc wrote:Just learn plain old treble clef. All that "Trumpet in D", "Clarinet in Bb", "Tuba in Eb", and "Horn in F" crap is unecessary 99.9999% of the time. You will rarely read it. Most tubists NEVER read that ****. Besides, transpositions of that clef can't come before you learn the clef itself.
I don't want to step on any toes here, but, although these guys may have great ideas and good intentions, ONE HAS TO KNOW WHERE THE FRIGGIN' NOTES ARE FIRST! In addition, transposing is a completely different animal. Don't worry about that yet. You have to crawl before you can walk. It's a tough pull when you put the cart before the horse. Learn the treble clef well, then worry about what pitch comes out on which instrument in which transpostion LATER. Then, and only then, can you consider transpositions (with comfort in the clef), and much of the aforementioned advice will serve you well.
Doc (adamantly insisting that "first things first", "do it right the first time", and "you won't be sorry" are, without doubt, the only orders of the day here)
