tboneplaya36 wrote:Also I feel I should add that sadly due to where I am there is absolutely no place to try out euphoniums, so I am purchasing offline from WWBW. Also while i have heard many good things about the miraphone 5050, I am on a budget and I really cant spend much over $5500. The meinl weston being on sale actually is what prompted me to look at it.
Since budget is a primary issue, why are you buying a new horn rather than a used one?
Unless you're dead set on a 751, you can pick up a used horn in very good to excellent condition for significantly less than the sale price advertised on WWBW's website. Yamaha 642s routinely sell for < $3500 on ebay, and 842s and Besson Prestiges for < $4500. Heck, there's a used Sterling Virtuoso listed for sale on Dave Werden's website for < $5k.
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Art Lehman's last horn was a Willson. We both played medium shank Bessons in DC in the 60s. As for the others, they play very well. However, please name any who play mws.
David Werden had a hand in the design of the Sterlings. I think they're OK. I do not like doing business with Custom. Just my feelings.
Unless you're dead set on a 751, you can pick up a used horn in very good to excellent condition for significantly less than the sale price advertised on WWBW's website.
I could agree more with this post. Still like my 551 a lot.
Well within your budget would be the Gerhard Baier compensating euphonium. Mine has excellent intonation, killer sound, and great response. Finding someone who carries them, though, isn't easy. (And it's German-made, not Chinese.) I got mine through Steve France at Summerhays Music in Utah.
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normrowe wrote:Well within your budget would be the Gerhard Baier compensating euphonium. Mine has excellent intonation, killer sound, and great response. Finding someone who carries them, though, isn't easy. (And it's German-made, not Chinese.)
W-e-e-e-e-l-l-l-l now ... as noted in the current ITEA Journal, B&S has a "location" in China, which, given the provision in German law that permits manufactured items for which 40% of the final assembly takes place in Germany to be labeled and sold as "Made in Germany," begs the question ... is it actually GERMAN made or simply ASSEMBLED in Germany from parts entirely manufactured in and imported from China?
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I made contact with Roger and he is now working with me and helping me decide what horn, both old and new, is best for me in my price range. Thank you again for all of your opinions
pgym wrote:......40% of the final assembly takes place in Germany to be labeled and sold as "Made in Germany"
Heck.... that can mean about anything. Could be like automobiles these days. The final assembly plants are only putting together a half dozen sub-assemblies and doing the paint!
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Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
normrowe wrote:Well within your budget would be the Gerhard Baier compensating euphonium. Mine has excellent intonation, killer sound, and great response. Finding someone who carries them, though, isn't easy. (And it's German-made, not Chinese.)
W-e-e-e-e-l-l-l-l now ... as noted in the current ITEA Journal, B&S has a "location" in China, which, given the provision in German law that permits manufactured items for which 40% of the final assembly takes place in Germany to be labeled and sold as "Made in Germany," begs the question ... is it actually GERMAN made or simply ASSEMBLED in Germany from parts entirely manufactured in and imported from China?
My understanding is that they are made entirely in Germany. I've had no indication of inferior parts or workmanship in mine. It's rock solid in its build (and a few instrument techs have gone over it and agreed).
bass trombonist (1977 Olds P-24G; Schilke 60)
principal euphonium (2003 Gerhard Baier BEP-650; Wick SM3), Ashland City Band (Ashland, OR)
Minickized Conn 20J body with Meinl-Weston 4v rotary cluster http://www.talentmusic.biz" target="_blank