"Testing" Chinese horns...

[ghmerrill]

a classic example of ivory-tower/above-the-fray politico-academic elitism ↑ (Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:25 pm)

bloke "sorry...no footnotes"

You guys really are too easy.

No Bloke, quite the opposite. An example of a real-world dispute where non-academic non-elite guys are arguing about several claims and trying to be convincing. Happens all the time. It's just that some of them are really bad at it. But keep up the name-calling in place of relevant arguments and evidence. And I don't think anything here has been above the fray. I'm just tired of it now and have nothing to gain from it.*

*(This is a footnote) Neither do you.

[Wyvern]

I have read a lot of ridiculous threads on TubeNet, but this one really takes the biscuit!

If you are really interested in supposedly radioactive products from China, then of course all the iPhone's and iPad's which many kids use daily are also made in that country, as well as a large percentage of other products around the house.

I don't know about the USA, but products coming into the UK are rigorously checked for safely, so the suggestion that brass instruments from China might be radioactive is just unsubstantiated fantasy!

In any case, even if you buy what you think are western made instruments, then it is quite likely components will have been made in China and the instrument assembled in the west, or they were actually made in China. For example, I believe all the Besson student instruments are now made in China.

Like it, or not, China today is factory of the world

[Wyvern]

I do wish they would figure out how to build a good 5/4ish CC

I know a new 5/4 piston CC will be released at the Frankfurt Music Fair in March, and going by who is working with the manufacturer to develop, I bet it will be good!

[bisontuba]

I do wish they would figure out how to build a good 5/4ish CC

I know a new 5/4 piston CC will be released at the Frankfurt Music Fair in March, and going by who is working with the manufacturer to develop, I bet it will be good!

Jonathan-
I thought it was a 6/4 CC being introduced at Frankfurt in March....
Mark

[Wyvern]

Jonathan-
I thought it was a 6/4 CC being introduced at Frankfurt in March....
Mark

So did I Mark, but it seems to have become a 5/4, unless there are two models? Here is picture of prototype

[arpthark]

I can definitely see some B&S influences in the way the 3rd and 4th valve tubing is aligned - looks a lot like my PT-20P.

[bisontuba]

Very interesting...
Mark

[Wyvern]

I must warn it will be at the top end of Chinese tubas, so the price will be a lot more than Jinbao

[basspiper]

I agree completely. This stuff needs to be regulated more!

Dave

[Michael Bush]

I agree completely. This stuff needs to be regulated more!

Dave

Yeah! Why don't we have more bureaucrats ensuring our safety and slowing down business?

[sousaphone68]

I have purchased two Chinese tubas since June 2011 while I don't think there is any real danger to me I am through my profession able to access a Radalert radiation meter. I also wear a dosimeter that is checked and replaced every month.
I will if my schedule allows bring home a meter and survey both instruments and post a video of the results.
I practice every day and often have my dosimeter on and have yet to have had a spike on my meter.

Where I live I am more at risk from Radon than my tuba

[sousaphone68]

by LJV » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:49 am

It would interesting to have someone with access to a Geiger counter check some of these Chinese horns.

Anyone have access to a good quality Geiger counter?

I thought that I had offered to do exactly what you had asked I have access to a government calibrated and regulated Radmeter and was willing to check the samples that I have available to me which counts as some as per your original request.

I am beginning to suspect that you have no interest in the results only in the spreading of the scare story.
So the usual suspects indeed with the the usual motives.

The latest scare story in Ireland is eating two pieces of bacon/rashers a day will increase your risk of pancreatic cancer.

I do not sell instruments so am reluctant to advise the importers that do, what action to take as whatever they do will only lend credence to the story.

Anybody know who or how the bathroom items were discovered was it good if slow regulation or happy accident?

edit
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/0 ... sue-boxes/" target="_blank" target="_blank
Looks like a roadside check of trucks in movement found the problem which I find reassuring as to the best of knowledge the US takes radiological threats very seriously up to and including radiation sensors at landfill sites and all airports. End edit

[bisontuba]

There were rumors years ago of the East Germans adding contaminated items in their metals--perhaps all products that were made in East Germany should be checked as well.......

Mark

[Ace]

This thread is laughable. Except for a few intelligent posts (e.g., Gary Merrill's; Neptune's; a few others), this thing has gone downhill with each page.

Hey, Gary--------perhaps your new book could use a clip from that noted deep-thinker, Floyd R. Turbo. Brilliant mind. (BTW, I have no idea how or why Glenn Beck's name was associated with this clip.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqXDN3Scsls" target="_blank

Ace

[Michael Bush]

This is an interesting twist on the source(s) of recycled radioactive metal:

http://michiganmessenger.com/20603/coul ... from-flint

[bisontuba]

I thought the world was ending this December 21st......

Mark

[TUBAD83]

We should be more concerned about how our air and water is NOT being tested and regulated in this "less regulation, more freedom and profit" cycle that the US is in right now--that's the much larger problem. We will kill each other off long before the radiation from Chinese products gets us.

JJ

[sloan]

GEIGER.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Government-Issued ... 47&sr=8-16

[toobagrowl]

Here is picture of prototype

That's just a PT-6P copy. The Chinese can't seem to come up with any original designs - they just copy existing ones.

[ghmerrill]

Comments completely resemble anonymous comments seen on most all newspaper websites; Those which don't properly align with folks' quasi-religions are dismissed as foolish, and are projectionally blamed on robotic/cult mentalities.

I haven't been checking in on this for a day, but figured I would to see how things had "progressed". It gets even better. Does anyone even understand this jargon of Bloke's? I mean, "... projectionally blamed on robotic/cult mentalities"? Sounds like something you'd see in, say, an academic paper in a sociology journal.

Honestly, take a step back. Hilarious. You can't make this stuff up.