stuffed-shirt says lose "Bat" term

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:49 pm

Sean, maybe you could substitute "bowl" for "bowel"?
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Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:52 pm

kathott wrote:Hi, Its a small point, BUT, before the term BAT becomes firmly embedded in the vernacular, is it serving the i m a g e ?

Which image would that be? The image that tuba players are regular folks who might be willing to have a beer with the patrons? The image that a symphony professional might be willing to play next to a 7th-grade beginner while both are freezing their tushes at a TubaChristmas? The image that tuba players know fun when they see it? The image that tuba players can poke fun at themselves? The image that tuba players, in particular, don't take themselves too seriously?

I'm just wondering which image you want to serve.

Rick "who doesn't use the term BAT with non-tuba-players, unless they seem like they have a sense of humor" Denney

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:56 pm

WoodSheddin wrote:All is well now.

O...kay.

Rick "taking a valium" Denney

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:05 pm

kegmcnabb wrote:OK then...
pistons or rotors, funnels or bowels, BBb or CC, biscuits or gravy....

That settles it for me. I'm gonna continue to play a funnel-shaped mouthpiece. That's that!

Captain Sousie · Post by **Captain Sousie** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:07 pm

As much as I may personally object to the use of expletives in the modern vernacular, it is there. The term BAT is pretty well embedded and it is not going anywhere soon. If you don't like it, don't use it. If it is a problem for you, it's your problem, don't make it someone else's. Don't become more of a part of the political correctness movement than you have to.

Sousie

kegmcnabb · Post by **kegmcnabb** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:39 pm

bloke wrote:bloke "who can think of a couple of elder statesmen folk - admittedly fine noted players - who possibly got to be a bit too serious about themselves and 'the tuba' in general...such as trying to coin words back in the 1970's such as 'tubist', and then getting p*ssed off on tubaeuph when someone fairly recently poked a bit of fun... http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?b ... &x=15&y=14 "

Gee...

Maybe it's because I grew up in the 70's but I had always heard and used the term tubist. Personally, I like the sound, finding it a bit less cumbersome than tubaist. Think I'll start a poll.

However,

What is the story you refer to, Bloke?

kegmcnabb · Post by **kegmcnabb** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:47 pm

bloke wrote:
What is the story you refer to, Bloke?
I'll not say. If you start all of that cr*p up again however, you'll just get a rehash of Rick Denney and me arguing over whether we bathe in a "tub", play a "tub" or play a "tuba"...

Oops....too late!

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:12 pm

Joe Baker wrote:Joe Baker, who wonders how many people will notice that Gene Pokorny was, for a moment, our resident genius?

Sigh. Now I get it.

Rick "giving up on the Valium and moving to something stronger" Denney

Carroll · Post by **Carroll** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:31 pm

I don't think you can stay on the sidelines of this one. Remember... it is like my chemistry prof used to say:
"If you are not part of the solution...

you are part of the precipitate".

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:58 pm

kegmcnabb wrote:Maybe it's because I grew up in the 70's but I had always heard and used the term tubist. Personally, I like the sound, finding it a bit less cumbersome than tubaist. Think I'll start a poll.

How th' heck do you pronouce it? TWO-BICED, TWO-BASTE?

How about "tuba player"?

..or maybe we couild slip in an extra "a" to please the snobs; you know, "flautist"<->"taubist". Of course, then it soiunds to our German colleagues like we don't hear so well...

TonyZ · Post by **TonyZ** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:32 pm

B.A.T. is great! Who else can use it? Big A** Trumpet...HAH! Trombone...Surrrrrrre.

It ours, I tell you!!! Ours, Ours OURS (imagine a Herman Munster-esque tantrum)

It's not about obscenity, it's about ob-funnity...

...sorry

JCalkin · Post by **JCalkin** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:04 pm

bloke "who can think of a couple of elder statesmen folk - admittedly fine noted players - who possibly got to be a bit too serious about themselves and 'the tuba' in general...such as trying to coin words back in the 1970's such as 'tubist', and then getting p*ssed off on tubaeuph when someone fairly recently poked a bit of fun... http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?b ... &x=15&y=14 "

I think my favorite part of the dictionary link was how they used "euphonium" in the definition of "tuba"... In my experience, most people who don't know what a tuba is will ALMOST CERTAINLY not know what a euphonium is...

-J

MaryAnn · Post by **MaryAnn** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:48 pm

harold wrote:Perhaps the term isn't uniquely tuba, but it is certainly uniquely American - where we drive large SUV's and burn lots of fossil fuels.

I can't think of a better term to be used usually for an American made awfully large tuba.

As for other instrumentalists, they don't get it anyway - which is why Bill Bell used to speak Alphalfa.

OK, time I can jump in!! Just last week I was talking to a co-worker about a new very large transformer....and he kind of grinned and referred to it as a "BAT" and slyly queried did I know what that could mean? ..... well OF COURSE I knew what it meant! Surprised him with how fast I was on the uptake! HA!

So it may be American, but it isn't unique to tubas or tuba players. Of course this guy happens to be an accordian player...but I'll let that go. You might find talking to EE's who specialize in power (as opposed to electronics) that they understand B.A.-anything. We all like trains, bulldozers, mine trucks...anything B.A.

MA

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:54 pm

cktuba wrote:Also of interest is the illustration which, to my eye, looks very much like the PT-606P or a York 4/4. So does the PT-606P or York 4/4 now define the term Tuba??? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's definitely taken from a diagram of a York, and probably because that was what was available in the public domain.

Here's the Webster's diagram:

Here's a 4/4 York catalog page:

Rick "who has no trouble with a 4/4 York being the primary definition of 'tuba'" Denney

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:43 pm

MaryAnn wrote: So it may be American, but it isn't unique to tubas or tuba players. Of course this guy happens to be an accordian player...but I'll let that go. You might find talking to EE's who specialize in power (as opposed to electronics) that they understand B.A.-anything. We all like trains, bulldozers, mine trucks...anything B.A.

I forget where, but somwhere alonge the way I picked up BFC. in electronics. This refered to a very large capacitor.

So vulgar terms, are common in many areas. ask a progrommer what name thy use for functions and variables as place holders. foo and bar, mispelled, but derived from FUBAR. And Of course the ubuiquitous SNAFU, even used by a recent president. And both have military origins, but have infiltrated many areas.

So BAT is just fine by me . But Ive been corrupted being a Marine, with an electronics MOS, an engineer (E.E.) and a programmer.

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