iiipopes wrote:..... The law firm I used to work for represents a regional retail chain. ...
AHA! Herein lies the problem. We need to string up about 95% of The Nation's lawyers (especially the ones in Washington who make the laws), strap on some six-guns, and resort to a little 'old-fashioned' law and order.
Right, Bloke!
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iiipopes wrote:..... The law firm I used to work for represents a regional retail chain. ...
AHA! Herein lies the problem. We need to string up about 95% of The Nation's lawyers (especially the ones in Washington who make the laws), strap on some six-guns, and resort to a little 'old-fashioned' law and order.
Right, Bloke!
You will think differently when you need one some day....
iiipopes wrote:..... The law firm I used to work for represents a regional retail chain. ...
AHA! Herein lies the problem. We need to string up about 95% of The Nation's lawyers (especially the ones in Washington who make the laws), strap on some six-guns, and resort to a little 'old-fashioned' law and order.
Right, Bloke!
You will think differently when you need one some day....
I didn't say "string up ALL of them". The 5% that I would plan to leave would be the HONEST ones!
Dan Schultz
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Actually... I know tuba playing attorneys, preachers, used car salesmen, and realtors. And... they're all OK in my books!
Dan Schultz
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Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
tbn.al wrote:Dan, you left out insurance salesmen. I feel ever so slighted!
Sorry.
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I tried to breeze through three pages of this in about 2 minutes. Forgive me if I missed this in an earlier post:
It is illegal for you as a worker to confront someone if they are outside the store. This goes for trying to stop them from leaving to confronting the suspect with physical force.
If the suspect is being observed from beginning of the act to the time they pass by the check out area, they can be confronted before they leave the store, and by the correct employees/managers/security personnel. (Also follow company policy)
If I arrest a shoplifter, I have to have a store employee that has observed the act from beginning to front of the store, or at the checkout line with a security tag/button/device that sets off an alarm system. Even with the security alarm system, the store has to make sure that a device was accidently not removed, and suspect has to have the chance to prove that the items in question were actually paid for with a receipt.
As bad as I feel for the lady, she did put her store and herself at legal risk.
hup_d_dup wrote:How much trust do we have in the news media?
Oh! Oh! Oh! I know this one! In my view the news media has lost just about ALL credibility. They ignore what doesn't fit their agenda, and slant coverage of what does.
My question: Where can we get the news, without someone attempting to influence our view of it?
hup_d_dup wrote:How much trust do we have in the news media?
Oh! Oh! Oh! I know this one! In my view the news media has lost just about ALL credibility. They ignore what doesn't fit their agenda, and slant coverage of what does.
My question: Where can we get the news, without someone attempting to influence our view of it?
In my view, the news media has NOT lost just about all credibility. In the US (where I live) we have the availability to get information fast and track down background information relatively easily.
That's not what a 2 minute news story is about. Everything in the story may be absolutely true ... or not. Sometimes we can't know that until later, and most of us don't have the time or interest to follow up — although we do have opinions and the time to post them on TubeNet.
If you're my age or somewhat younger you remember the McDonald's hot coffee case. The slant followed on that story by most of the media was that the resulting lawsuit was outrageous; greedy lawyers and crazy jury. Because the story was most effective from that point of view, mitigating details were left out, but that information is available for anyone who wants to dig a little further. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v. ... estaurants" target="_blank"
hup_d_dup wrote:
That's not what a 2 minute news story is about. Everything in the story may be absolutely true ... or not. Sometimes we can't know that until later, and most of us don't have the time or interest to follow up — although we do have opinions and the time to post them on TubeNet.
That follow-up takes some skill, too. For various reasons, the questionable stories tend to be "viral" online, widely reported, so that if you use a web search it may be after several pages of hits that you finally find a critical appraisal. For many categories, quack medicine is a good example, it will save a lot of time to just go straight to wikipedia.org. Do the web search anyway, just to get a sense of the phenomenon.
But for better sources ... for sure the 2 minute media are not going to be getting you the most well researched news, but also I think most people ought to be able to recognize sensational stories. Everyone is going to try to make the news as interesting as reasonably possible, but the truth is usually pretty boring.
hup_d_dup wrote:
But for better sources ... for sure the 2 minute media are not going to be getting you the most well researched news, but also I think most people ought to be able to recognize sensational stories. Everyone is going to try to make the news as interesting as reasonably possible, but the truth is usually pretty boring.
I completely agree with this and couldn't have said it better.
Dan has an idea that many of us could get behind. I also agree with Joe's assessment that punishments are often to slow and not public enough.
As for the store's policy, I believe AUTOMATIC termination is too harsh. I assume the company has many policies that they expect their employees to adhere to. I further assume that not all of them require termination, so there are other options. On the other hand, I believe the company should have the RIGHT to have the policy that apparently they have. It's their company. No one is being forced to work for them(nor to shop there, for that matter).
What a whinning bunch of pukes! Thieves caught red-handed should be shot and incenetrated on the spot. It's like swatting flies in a butcher shop. Swat enough, and the fly population in there drops. They have zero tolerance for kids drawing pictures of guns in school, but the same liberal dingbats jump through flaming hoops to coddle crud balls that simply need to be eliminated. Arm the cashiers, and fire them if they miss!
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I have to side with those that say she should have been fired. She disregarded a store policy designed to protect her, and other shoppers from being injured by a criminal who might use force to get away. As a store employee without training on how to apprehend someone committing a crime she placed herself and others in the store in danger. If she is that volatile a person that she will blatantly disregard stated store policies because she's lost her temper, then what's to keep her from loosing her temper in the future and placing herself and others in danger again. She was informed of the store policy and that violating the policy was grounds for termination, she brought those consequences upon herself. Are the consequences a little harsh; they probably are for a first offense ( if this is a first offense), but she was warned about what the consequences would be. Besides that if you have a store policy that says that if you do this we'll terminate you and then you don't terminate the person you've just educated all of your other store employees that they can disregard store policy and get away with it also.
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there was a wal mart employee (who was a former marine) in my town that was fired for extracting a firearm from a shoplifter and holding him until police arrived. He confronted the shoplifter (which is why he was fired), the shop lifter pulled a gun, he relieved the shoplifter of his weapon, and waited for police.
He was not unemployed for long, he got a lot of offers from local businesses.
