The Lowest Note

[ThomasDodd]

a good number of people on this topic have mentioned that they can play, or have used in reference "double pedal C" i'm almost positive they dont mean a double pedal C. because that would be the same as the 64' organ pipe. a better phrase to use would probably be "pedal C" .

The way I read the notation page linked earlier, double pedal is appropriate, since the C, 2 lines below the bass cleff staf is the start of the "pedal" range.

[tubarnak]

Maybe this link could help... I've been trying to find sound samples but no results.

http://www.contrabass.com/pages/frequency.html

[Phil Dawson]

Once you have the samples what are you going to play them on/with. If you find some let me know as I do have some friends with 24-inch woofers in their very fancy music systems. Good Luck, Phil

[Chuck(G)]

well thats all very good and well but then how does roger bobo get his monstor C on his DD tuba in encounters 2....????
its very possible to tune the lip slaps in your mouthpiece (lacking a bettor discription) or even your tounge to a pitch.
and on my FF tuba i can get very clear with great pitch notes below the fundamental (3 F's below middel C) down to 4 BBb's below middel c which im sure mose FF players here can easily as well.

What no one has mentioned thus far is that no one really "hears" notes this low, nor does our instrument produce them with any amount of amplitude.

Like the aforementioned 64' resultant organ stop, what your audience hears on that "CCCC" is the upper harmonics of the note, not the note itself, whose actual energy, coupled with the sharp dropoff in sensitivity of the ear at low frequencies would be all but inaudible.

[TexTuba]

well thats all very good and well but then how does roger bobo get his monstor C on his DD tuba in encounters 2....????

BECAUSE HE'S ROGER BOBO!!!!



Ralph

[Mark]

Absolutely true story. I played a really low note for a small group of non-brass players and one of them remarked: "That just sounds like your lips are flapping".

[Bill Troiano]

I actually won a $20.00 bet with a contra bassoon player, back in the early 1970's. She told me that she could play lower than I could and I bet her that she couldn't. The trick is to let the contra bassoon play first. She played a note lower than my pedal CC (maybe a low A with the extension). It just sounded like a pulse or vibration. So, employing the tongue slapping technique that Roger Bobo describes, I just slapped my tongue slower than the pulse of her lowest note. She bought it and I won $20.00. Try it sometime on your favorite contra bassoon player.

[TexTuba]

Is this tongue slapping trick like flutter tounging but just not as fast?








Ralph

[The Jackson]

......bbbbbvvvv......bbbbbvvvv.....

[TUbajohn20J]

I can almost get down to a double peddle B flat (yes the B flat below peddle B flat). I can play the C but when i let the valves up for B flat it skips up a partial

[tubatom91]

about Gb 0. A little lower (if you REALLY consider those "notes").

[Steve Marcus]

In Gene Pokorny's recording of the "Pedal Point" exercise (with the synthesized accompaniment), he plays down to EEE.

[noriegatuba]

Ok, so there's the regular pedal D. I've hit the D below that, so I guess one can call it double pedal D. (oh, and you have to go chromatically down or else there's little hope)

[Todd S. Malicoate]

This has been covered a few times before, but my way of thinking is that only notes below the fundamental of a tuba are really "pedals." Noriegatuba, and others on the forum, obviously disagree, and that's fine.

But, just for the sake of curiosity, for those of you who call really low notes above the fundamental "pedals"...

How far up do you call those notes pedals? For example, noriegatuba, considering the note you call "regular pedal D," is the note a half-step above that pedal Eb? Then pedal E? How far up do you still call that note a pedal? It would seem a little silly to call the A three ledger lines below the bass clef staff a "pedal," so I'm just wondering where the cut-off is.

I'm going to assume that you are talking about your C tuba, since there's no way you have enough valves to play the D below what you call pedal D (and I would, too, on an F tuba) on your F.

For the record (and for the sake of the testosterone display this thread has become), I can play down to the E below the fundamental on a C tuba with a buzzing embouchure. It sounds like a "real note" to me, with a real sense of a pitch. I've performed the G just above that a few times in my transcription of the Canadian Brass' "Tuba Polka." It's a nice range to have access to, since flute players are known to be susceptible to the "charms of the tuba pedals."

[sloan]

That 'D' had to have been horrendously out of tune, and here's why. Concert A above Middle C, which is the C on the ledger line above the bass clef staff, is currently set to a frequency of 440. For every octave that you go down, the frequency of A is halved. Also, take into account the even-tempered scale. For the D that you mention, the frequency of the A below it would be (according to A=440) 13.75 Hz. That means that D is 18.354 (roughly) Hz. The lowest tone audible to the human ear is right around 20 Hz. Therefore, in order to hear the note, you would have had to have actually been playing an Eb around 47-48 cents sharp. Which is not a D. Also, and I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned this either, it's called a BBb tuba because the fundamental pitch of the horn, given its length, is a BBb on the Grand Staff...in other words, a pedal BBb. Anything lower would be an undertone. Sorry to rain on your parade, Kevin.

I understand that most tubas come with 3, 4, 5, or even 6 ways to change the length of the tuba...

[Nick Pierce]

It's a nice range to have access to, since flute players are known to be susceptible to the "charms of the tuba pedals."

Dang, what flute players are you talking to? And how do I find others like them?

[TubaCoopa]

It's a nice range to have access to, since flute players are known to be susceptible to the "charms of the tuba pedals.

Wouldn't that mean that you could just fart and get the same effect?

[Nick Pierce]

By the way, Graingers "Children's March: Over the Hills and Far Away" has pedal BBb's at the end.

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