"cimbasso"/"Verdi hated the tuba"/etc.

[J.c. Sherman]

I'll show off a little,

This was a custom job for one of our 'netters; while it's essentially an Eb bass trombone, it's definitely a suitable cimbasso for much of Verdi's output. Man, we had WAAAAAAYYY to much fun with this before shipping it!

Koladaphone2.jpg

[Lingon]

I'll show off a little,

This was a custom job for one of our 'netters; while it's essentially an Eb bass trombone, it's definitely a suitable cimbasso for much of Verdi's output. Man, we had WAAAAAAYYY to much fun with this before shipping it!

Koladaphone2.jpg

What a nice instrument! A real bass trombonium or marching cimbasso??

[Donn]

while it's essentially an Eb bass trombone, it's definitely a suitable cimbasso for much of Verdi's output.

You'd want more valves on an Eb cimbasso? I'm looking for a significant distinction that makes you say this is a (valve) trombone. I would have thought a cimbasso is a bass or contrabass valve trombone, but I know only what I read on Tubenet.

[J.c. Sherman]

while it's essentially an Eb bass trombone, it's definitely a suitable cimbasso for much of Verdi's output.

You'd want more valves on an Eb cimbasso? I'm looking for a significant distinction that makes you say this is a (valve) trombone. I would have thought a cimbasso is a bass or contrabass valve trombone, but I know only what I read on Tubenet.

You would want more valves, yes... or I would. The client didn't. It's a .562 bore bass trombone, but with the bell I use on my contras and cimbassos to add a little heft and help pitch for the longer instrument (allows a longer bell taper). The bell is 10"

The point being, there really isn't a distinction between valve bass/contrabass trombones and modern cimbasso's (and Verdi's ultimately approved design from Pelitti). I call this a bass trombone a) because that was what was requested, and b) the range is limited only to the bass range.

It's a hoot, regardless, to play.

[bisontuba]

Hi-
Saw this on Dillon's website: a late 19th c "modern valve cimbasso"...FYI.. Mark

http://www.dillonmusic.com/p-12518-pari ... basso.aspx" target="_blank

[bisontuba]

Hi-
A 'mellophone' in Bb that is in modern valve cimbasso 'L' shape--courtesy of the Sax Museum from a c. 1881 CG Conn catalog...really fascinating...FYI..mark

[pjv]

Many "L" form trombones were designed for the cavalry.

[imperialbari]

Hi-
A 'mellophone' in Bb that is in modern valve cimbasso 'L' shape--courtesy of the Sax Museum from a c. 1881 CG Conn catalog...really fascinating...FYI..mark

Please give a link to the source for that ad.

Klaus

[bisontuba]

Hi-
A 'mellophone' in Bb that is in modern valve cimbasso 'L' shape--courtesy of the Sax Museum from a c. 1881 CG Conn catalog...really fascinating...FYI..mark

Please give a link to the source for that ad.

Klaus

Here it is-mark
http://www.saxophone.org/museum/saxophones" target="_blank

[imperialbari]

Is that a dual purpose instrument with two configurations?

Klaus

[Lingon]

Now, this may not be as old as 1870 but it looks at least old especially when seeing the details of the valve mechanisms? Any idea of what it is?

[cjk]

the cimbasso in that video sounds like a tuba.

[tbn.al]

What is wrong with the banjo player's jaw? Brueghel's ?

[Z-Tuba Dude]

the cimbasso in that video sounds like a tuba.

That's what I heard as well... I think it might be due to his mouthpiece choice - maybe?

I think it is a combination of what Bloke mentions about the bell being pilfered from a marching baritone, and using a tuba mouthpiece.

Although, I am still not sure what a "world class" cimbasso sound is!

[ghmerrill]

As Bloke observed, it appears to be a marching baritone/euphonium body with a cylindrical valve section grafted on. So there is a significant proportion of conical tubing in that instrument. Definitely sounds like a tuba rather than any kind of trombone.

[Donn]

As Bloke observed, it appears to be a marching baritone/euphonium body with a cylindrical valve section grafted on. So there is a significant proportion of conical tubing in that instrument. Definitely sounds like a tuba rather than any kind of trombone.

What's the difference between

• a baritone with a cylindrical valve section grafted on, and
• a baritone?

The leadpipe?

[eupher61]

anyone have good contact info for Steve Call? the last email I had was rejected. He'd be the obvious choice to ask about the horn.

[eupher61]

Can we agree on one thing, at least:

The determination has been made that this is the type of instrument which is NOW considered a cimbasso, no matter what Verdi had in mind or in use.

The problem as I see it is that now, anyone auditioning for an opera gig has to have yet another instrument. I'm not trying to be nosy about pay, but does the Met, f'rinstance, consider cimbasso a double? How about any other company in the US? How about European companies??

jest wonderin'

[Lingon]

...It looks like one of those "marching baritone" cimbassos...

Hmm, we do not have that terminology where I am so I do not know exactly what you mean with that? But, I think it show similarities, at least the bell section and the number of valves, with both, what is said to be, the 1881 cb valve trbn

Cimbasso.jpg

and this Orsi one?

CimbassoSmall_orsi.jpg

[imperialbari]

John, de hjemmebyggede cimbassoer, hvor klangstykket plus de første buer er taget fra et kornetformet tenorhorn. Sam Gnagey har lavet to i F og Es, som kan ses i mit galleri.

K