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Ladies and gentlemen, I am a blatweasel. I have been a blatweasel since my first football game when a cheerleader told me chicks dig it.
I lost all my teeth pressure playing and now that I'm old, my lips are beating themselves to pieces.
I still don't care. I love to hear my tuba crack with the power of a big ole blatt. I still believe the chicks dig it and that they would be leaping onto my bones if I weren't so old and ugly.
I'm sure there is a twelve step program somewhere for blatweasels but you'll never see me there. I just hope the last tuba note I ever play is the loudest and raunchiest one ever. :D
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I've had a dream about brass instruments that could be played as softly as strings; i.e. a tuba that was no louder than a string contrabass, trumpets no louder than violins, trombones no louder than 'cellos and horns no louder than violas.

Ah, well, not in my lifetime, I suspect. :(
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loudman52 wrote:
3. Make sure that the more air you blow the tighter your embouchure is. You want the most focused sound possible, so pinch and BLOW!
I disagree. if we're talking "more volume of air", the aperture needs to be bigger to facilitate its flow in order to produce good sound. This is easy enough to demonstrate. Try playing low with a large volume of air, and a small aperture... it will sound strangled and anything but full.

The secret to playing high is not "pinch and blow." Its less air volume, more pressure with the air stream pointed downwards at the right angle (high=more extreme the angle) using your lips.

But likes its been said a few times here, the secret to playing loud is just plain old "more air."
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Chuck(G) wrote:I've had a dream about brass instruments that could be played as softly as strings; i.e. a tuba that was no louder than a string contrabass, trumpets no louder than violins, trombones no louder than 'cellos and horns no louder than violas.

Ah, well, not in my lifetime, I suspect. :(
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To play really softly on a tuba you need a humungous (sp?)mouthpiece (1.4"+ inner rim with a very deep bowl-shaped cup and extra large backbore). I learned how to do this when my twins were mere infants and I would tuba-lullaby them to sleep.
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your ability to play louder will develop over time with regular practice in all other areas.. you can't play loud well unless you can play MF with a great tone.. you just can't have one without the other...


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I think Rick and Jacob have the best suggestions so far.

Playing loud won't come because you listened to the Freak Jury. It takes time to understand the concept and develop it, so go practice your butt off and maybe one day you'll be loud.
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loudman52 wrote:I think loud playing is the most important tool every brass player should have. Personally I just don't think brass players play loud enough these days. It sems to me that in the past the brass world was willing to produce so much more volume, and with a sound that would project to the back of any hall, or for you, be heard in any marching mand. Now it's all about being "round" and "tasteful". HOGWASH! Brass are outdoor instruments and should always be played that way. That being said I have a few tips.

1. Just like the man said, BLOW HARDER! With low brass instruments being the biggest instruments out there, all you gotta do is blow harder than anyone else out there and you can win!

2. Make sure that you're playing on the biggest equipment possible. The bigger the horn, the bigger the mouthpiece, the louder you can play. As a baritone player, have you thought about altering your equipment so you can fit a tuba mouthpiece in the receiver? Just an idea.

3. Make sure that the more air you blow the tighter your embouchure is. You want the most focused sound possble, so pinch and BLOW!

4. Realize where your bell is pointed! This is related to number 3. When your sound is more focused, you're going to want to point your bell to whoever you want to hear you. You will now be a cannon of sound so ready, aim, FIRE!

5. Last but not least, MUSCLE EVERYTHING. It's absolutely vital that you never wuss out. It will be really easy to get lazy and start "relaxing". This will only make your sound "rounder" and this obviously the last thing you want. When you feel like things are starting get flabby just make sure you stay firm and never give up! Playing loud is an athletic event and your lungs have to be in shape.

I hope this helps. These are the techniques that I use every day in my practice to help me play louder, and I swear I can play louder than anyone.

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Your #3 is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, but I can't explain how wrong that is.
What you do is OPEN UP A LOT. That will actually allow you to play even louder, because the only thing that pinching actually does is make it seem like it's louder, because the instrument is closer to the most it can take.
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I've been watching this tread and forcing myself to keep my mouth shut... but.... I've gotta say it!....

I've been playing since 1958 and in ALMOST every case that I've observed, the guys who play loud also play bad. Just my opinion. In the case of the dude who made the comment about pinching your embochure and blowing HARD... I think I sat next to you a couple of times. Listening to all the blatting and farting makes me dive for my tuner!
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I thought his post was sarcasm, atleast thats how i read it..

I think half the people that posted in this thread think this was just a troll post, and other half thinks it was legit.

I still don't know..
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Tuba playing, pinching, and farting ... the lost art of true multiphonics.
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the elephant wrote:My fake troll posts
(There's a contradiction of terms in there, somewhere... :shock: )
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Let me wade in here... :D

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TubaTinker wrote:I've been watching this tread and forcing myself to keep my mouth shut... but.... I've gotta say it!....

I've been playing since 1958 and in ALMOST every case that I've observed, the guys who play loud also play bad. Just my opinion. In the case of the dude who made the comment about pinching your embochure and blowing HARD... I think I sat next to you a couple of times. Listening to all the blatting and farting makes me dive for my tuner!
I dunno which is more funny, me taking the original post seriously, or you taking the responses seriously.

Oh, well. I've responded in kind to what seemed to me clear trolls in the past and been universally chastised for being mean to some ignorant kid.

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Rick Denney wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:I've been watching this tread and forcing myself to keep my mouth shut... but.... I've gotta say it!....

I've been playing since 1958 and in ALMOST every case that I've observed, the guys who play loud also play bad. Just my opinion. In the case of the dude who made the comment about pinching your embochure and blowing HARD... I think I sat next to you a couple of times. Listening to all the blatting and farting makes me dive for my tuner!
I dunno which is more funny, me taking the original post seriously, or you taking the responses seriously.

Oh, well. I've responded in kind to what seemed to me clear trolls in the past and been universally chastised for being mean to some ignorant kid.

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It's getting tough to tell the 'real' posts from the 'fake' ones any more
Gettin' dangerously close to politics, I'd say.
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Re: LOUDER!!!

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So many people afterwards said they had never heard a tuba sound like that before.

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Was that a compliment?
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Make 'music' — not 'loud'
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