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mattwatts wrote:The thing that I particularly didn't like on the one I tried was the rim, but now I realise they can be different and I will look into these G&Ws more closely.

Scientifically speaking, what is the difference in effect of funnel versus cup? What difference does it make to sound, attack, range etc?
Lots of folks don't like the flat, sharp rim of the Conn Helleberg, though there are those who like the mouthpieces just because of that rim. But most models of Helleberg design don't have the same rim as the Conn. The G&W has a flat rim, but it is more rounded on the inside edge. The Parantucci mouthpieces seem to be more round than flat, and so on.

Generally, the deep funnel mouthpieces are supposed to emphasize the lower harmonics in the sound and de-emphasize the upper harmonics. I find this to be the case, but not necessarily desireable for every situation. I find myself using shallower mouthpieces than I used to, but still with a funnel concept of a smooth transition into the throat. I find the difference more obvious on euphonium. On my old Besson, a cup-shaped mouthpiece like a Bach 1-1/2 G produces more of a trombone-like timbre than the funnel-shaped Steven Mead mouthpieces made by Wick. The latter produce a much rounder tone with less edge.

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Post by Arkietuba »

As an 18 yr. old tuba player I know I'm not the upmost authority on this subject...that said...I don't think that the mouthpiece really makes that big of a difference (unless you're not really used to it). I play a UMI Helleberg on a 30 yr. old Miraphone CC tuba that has a deformed bell that buzzes occasionally and that has a hole covered by duct tape and I have been told by fellow tuba players (and specifically Brian Bowman) that I have a dark, rich, fat sound. So, imho I think that when you get used to a mouthpiece, you can achieve any tone that you want (most of the time).
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Post by Charlie Goodman »

The term "helleburg" refers to any number of different mouthpieces based on designs by its namesake. They all are funnel shaped and have fairly narrow, sharp rims. The Conn Helleburg is one particular manufacture, and the 7B is a slightly smaller version.
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tuba4sissies wrote:Um...

Please explain the differences in a:

Conn Helleburg?

A Helleburg

and

UMI Helleburg..

I played a helleburg once when i was a beginner.. i had a good sound as far as i remember. So im going to play my friend's again.. and then ill see

all i know is that he has a "Helleburg 7B"
First, it's Helleberg, not Helleburg...

UMI is now the parent company of Conn-Selmer, which makes the Conn Helleberg. The Conn Helleberg and UMI Helleberg are the same thing.

As other posters have said, Helleberg was a famous tuba player who designed mouthpieces for his individual horns that all seemed to have a funnel shape to them. These days the term Helleberg does nothing more than describe a mouthpiece based on Helleberg's funnel design.
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Post by tubatooter1940 »

The good folks at Kelly mouthpieces recommended a 24 AW plastic mouthpiece(harvest gold,baby) for my Eb King.I like the wide rim.I also found that with plastic the horn is less likely to blatt.I like to be able to pour on the power an not have the bell crack.Cool!
Played a three hour gig at a seafood joint and for the first time in a year,found no allergic breakout on my lip the day after.My tube net buddies taught me a lot about metal allergies and made me aware that my metal mouthpiece could be the culprit.After a gold mouthpiece failed to be a cure,I called Kelly Mouthpieces and this new plastic one could be my career saver.I learned about these here on Sean's Tubenet and I remain,grateful to you all.
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tuba4sissies wrote:Um...

Please explain the differences in a:

Conn Helleburg?

A Helleburg

and

UMI Helleburg..

I played a helleburg once when i was a beginner.. i had a good sound as far as i remember. So im going to play my friend's again.. and then ill see

all i know is that he has a "Helleburg 7B"
Conn = UMI. Conn was purchased by UMI, who also purchased King, so they are all the same company now. If it's marked UMI, it's newer than one that is marked Conn.

"A Helleberg" can either mean a Conn/UMI Helleberg or a mouthpiece of Helleberg design.

Conn/UMI sells two models of Helleberg mouthpieces. The larger one is officially called the 120, 120S, or just S, but I've never seen any of these marked on the mouthpiece (the marking will just be "Helleberg"). The 7B is the smaller model of the same design.

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