So, what makes a proffessional musician, a proffessional?

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"Love" is a pre-existing condition. Humans didnt invent love, we just try to define it. Thats what makes it difficult to define... It was here before there was communication.

Any concept that was CREATED by humans is much easier to define.

My contribution to the thread was not to crap on it. My intent was to contribute to it. I consider this particular definition to be rather simple, and I wanted to point that out.

I never said anything here was "hurting" me, nor that i "didnt care for it."


I once knew someone who thought that the definition of "transposition," or "to transpose" could possibly have a different meaning than is accepted. Specifically, she thought that when a tuba student learns a new horn--say, when they are learning F tuba for the first time, that he/she is "transposing" to use the correct fingerings. I told her this is undeniably false. If you look at a C, and you play a C... then you ARE NOT transposing, regardless of the fingering you use. I told her that to tell a student otherwise would be teaching him/her incorrectly. By the end, she still didnt agree with me. But, she was wrong, I was right, and that's all that matters to me.

Sorry for the slight tangent, but that part of my past is why this thread interested me.

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snufflelufigus wrote:
Dean wrote:"Love" is a pre-existing condition. Humans didnt invent love, we just try to define it. Thats what makes it difficult to define... It was here before there was communication.

Any concept that was CREATED by humans is much easier to define.

My contribution to the thread was not to crap on it. My intent was to contribute to it. I consider this particular definition to be rather simple, and I wanted to point that out.

I never said anything here was "hurting" me, nor that i "didnt care for it."


I once knew someone who thought that the definition of "transposition," or "to transpose" could possibly have a different meaning than is accepted. Specifically, she thought that when a tuba student learns a new horn--say, when they are learning F tuba for the first time, that he/she is "transposing" to use the correct fingerings. I told her this is undeniably false. If you look at a C, and you play a C... then you ARE NOT transposing, regardless of the fingering you use. I told her that to tell a student otherwise would be teaching him/her incorrectly. By the end, she still didnt agree with me. But, she was wrong, I was right, and that's all that matters to me.

Sorry for the slight tangent, but that part of my past is why this thread interested me.

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My prediction is 12 or 13.
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quinterbourne wrote:My prediction is 12 or 13.
Aw, heck -- we can do better than that! (remember the "duck thread"? :twisted: )
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My prediction is 12 or 13.


Ladies and Gentlemen, I rest my case.



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Ah, geez...

If this turns into another post whore thread, I'll have to unsubscribe -- might as well be spam in my inbox.
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Leland wrote:Ah, geez...

If this turns into another post whore thread, I'll have to unsubscribe -- might as well be spam in my inbox.
And highly principled people such as you and me refuse to have anything to do with such foolishness, don't we?
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Did someone mention "duck thread"?

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(just kidding... )
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gwwilk wrote:
Leland wrote:Ah, geez...

If this turns into another post whore thread, I'll have to unsubscribe -- might as well be spam in my inbox.
And highly principled people such as you and me refuse to have anything to do with such foolishness, don't we?
Oh, no, nothing at all.

(actually, I do keep clicking the emails because I wonder if something relevant got posted).
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windshieldbug wrote:Did someone mention "duck thread"?

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(just kidding... )
So, is the duck an artist, professional, amateur, or duffer? :P
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Well.................

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Anyone with an eye toward professionalism can quickly see that this is a goose, and not a duck!

:roll:

As far as professionalism;

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and flies like a duck, then it must be a goose.

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Dean wrote:
I once knew someone who thought that the definition of "transposition," or "to transpose" could possibly have a different meaning than is accepted. Specifically, she thought that when a tuba student learns a new horn--say, when they are learning F tuba for the first time, that he/she is "transposing" to use the correct fingerings. I told her this is undeniably false. If you look at a C, and you play a C... then you ARE NOT transposing, regardless of the fingering you use. I told her that to tell a student otherwise would be teaching him/her incorrectly. By the end, she still didnt agree with me. But, she was wrong, I was right, and that's all that matters to me.
She wasn't necessarily wrong, though, and you weren't necessarily right. The disagreement seems to have stemmed, by your own words, from your definition of the word transpose, which you seem to apply only to musical notes. The 2nd definition of "transpose" in my dictionary is "transfer to a different place or context"...so your friend would be correct in her statement that a C tubist learning F tuba is transposing.. not in a notational sense, but in the sense that they are transfering the fingerings they already know to a slightly different context. Incidentally, the generally accepted musical definition of "transpose" is listed as a bullet point to this same definition.

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My understanding was that we were speaking of transposing in a music context--as in the music definition provided:

"Write or play (music) in a different key from the originial."


If you wish to apply the general meaning of the word, then yes, it is acceptable. Neither of us brought up this point. Being we were talking about music, I assumed the appropriate definition.
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Re: Well.................

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Tom Mason wrote:Anyone with an eye toward professionalism can quickly see that this is a goose, and not a duck!

:roll:
"Silly goose -- Kix are for trids!" :wink:
Tom Mason wrote:As far as professionalism;

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and flies like a duck, then it must be a goose.
Absolutely right -- no falcon around here! :oops:
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I have always thought a professional is someone that can play it right every time they pick up their horn (or at least 95% of the time)

For me the main thing that seperates pros from ametures is not the paycheck, but consitency. Lots of crappy musicians get payed quite handsomely for what they do.
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adam0408 wrote:I have always thought a professional is someone that can play it right every time they pick up their horn (or at least 95% of the time)
95% isn't anywhere near close enough for the paying patrons. At that rate, in a 100+ symphony, someone (besides the violas) would ALWAYS be screwing up. There'd never be a second without a scewup. Before digitization, imagine the recording session time at that rate...
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