4/4 Conn BBb

cjk · Post by **cjk** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:28 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... Track=true

looks to be a 4/4ish BBb with .730 (??) bore valves fixed up real purdy.

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:17 pm

Any idea what model???

Lew · Post by **Lew** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:41 pm

This almost looks like a King 1241 with a Conn bell. I have never seen this model before. Anyone have any old catalogs with this in it?

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:52 pm

82J / 83J ?

The Conn Loyalist

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:40 pm

Nope, this one is a 36J

Compare the valve set layout and the tuning slides to this old photo from The Conn Loyalist.

It is a GREAT looking horn and seems to be in wonderful condition.

cjk · Post by **cjk** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:39 pm

Bandmaster wrote:Nope, this one is a 36J

I disagree. The bugle is NOT 20J sized like a 3xJ.

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:23 pm

cjk wrote:
Bandmaster wrote:Nope, this one is a 36J
I disagree. The bugle is NOT 20J sized like a 3xJ.

I'll be able to you for sure soon. A friend of mine won the auction. So I'll see it first hand at a rehearsal in a couple weeks. I have checked it against several other photos posted by 36J owners and it looks just like them. The valve configuration, the tuning slide layout and the wraps in the bugle all look the same. But how can you judge the size from the limited view in the photos on eBay?

cjk · Post by **cjk** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:39 pm

It doesn't matter, but it's really easy.

We can agree that the length of a BBb tuba's first valve tuning slide is going to be approximately the same length on two different models regardless on bore size, right???

look at the first valve slide on this:

Then look at the first valve slide on this,

You'll notice that on the latter picture, the first valve slide's tubing appears much longer in relationship to the rest of the tuba. There is a difference with top action versus side action, but it's only a couple inches and doesn't make up for the huge discrepancy in size.

Also, note that the seller said the bell diameter is 19.5 inches. That's really small for a recording bell. The recording bells on 36j/20j/whatever are usually 24 inches.

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:18 am

Well, if you want to make side by side comparisons look at the image of the 36J that I posted earlier. It must be a small horn too, since the first valve slide looks to be longer on it too? Note the four top tubing wraps on the 36J, they are the same on the eBay horn. If what you say is true then the only option is that it is an 82J. But if you look at the image below it will show that it is not possible. The 82J has the main tuning slide on the leadpipe, the tuba in question has a direct to the first valve leadpipe and the tuning slide after the 4th valve. And the top bows are differnet as well. So I guess we will just have to wait and see....

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:42 pm

Okay you two, stop your bickering.....

All of these horns look "somewhat" similar to me. The seller said it had a smaller bell and that the overall height is only 41" so I'm thinking it's "not" one of the larger horns. It might be but I doubt it... Dave, what's the overall height of your York Master? Also the serial number and date of manufacture doesn't match with some of the horns listed. I am curious about the alleged copper bell. There's a pretty good article about them at the Conn Loyalist webpage but it doesn't mention copper bells on tubas...
http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnArticle20.html

I think that Robb Stewart has one of those Conn books and we'll see if he'll let me do some research to determine the model number, or get even more confused!

I'll also take some better pictures so everyone can see! It looks like a very interesting horn...

Tim

Ebay Horn

Conn 34J

Conn 36J

Conn48J

Something I found last night on the internet. This is a BIG horn!

PhilipJ · Post by **PhilipJ** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:55 am

I recognize that photograph. According to its original Ebay posting (in 1999, I believe), it IS a Buescher.