DVORAK Symphony No. 8

Dean E · Post by **Dean E** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:49 pm

How's the tuba part, please?

I have a chance to play the piece with a chamber orchestra.

Thanks.

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:38 pm

What Wade said. Glorious music, fun tuba part. Definitely do it.
On my short list to finally conduct in the next 3 years. I have played it @ 10 times. I look forward to working the other end.

Chuck

Eric B · Post by **Eric B** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:45 pm

Lucky you. I'm sitting through the 9th with my 14 notes in the 2nd mvt. It's a great symphony for the bones though.

MileMarkerZero · Post by **MileMarkerZero** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:25 am

Some nice tutti passeges with the bones. Nothing particularly hard about it. Good piece.

eupher61 · Post by **eupher61** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:43 pm

ditto on the fun.

But, get a recording or better yet, a score. That way you can decide for yourself...

Mojo workin' · Post by **Mojo workin'** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:46 pm

I don't remember the tuba part being particularly challenging.

The challenging part will be sitting through an over-rated work with beginning composition student level writing.

Mojo workin' · Post by **Mojo workin'** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:30 pm

Wow. How obtuse.

Yes. I have a non-pointed head shape.

Trust me.

I don't know you well enough.

Seriously Mojo, if you dislike the piece just say so.

I dislike the piece.

many of those have FAR more experience and education than you.

How do you know how much experience or education I have? From this statement, I can tell that you have underestimated both. I too went to one of the top compositional schools in the country, and remember Shostakovich and Bruckner in particular being looked at as the 'red haired stepchildren' amongst composers, to the composition student/professor circles. What does that say about those who have FAR more education than you think I have?

If you want to generalize you could get called on it.

Am I generalizing? I was referring to one specific piece, Symphony #8 by Antonin Dvorak. But I will say that he is overplayed for his level of compositional quality.

If you cannot cite examples then you look like you are just parroting what you heard from some dim bulb professor while you were an undergrad.

Well, I don't own a score, so I can't give you chapter and verse on its theoretical criticisms. I am just recalling the times that I have played it professionally thinking how uninteresting it is thematically and incohesive it is in its orchestration in spots. Wait, I guess those are specific examples.

that had actual bad writing of melodic lines and structures and very poor orchestration.

I think this piece has all of the above.

Wow. How obtuse.

Wow. I shall remember to take my first amendment right less literally here on Tubenet.

Craig Garner · Post by **Craig Garner** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:55 pm

This is one of my favorite pieces of music, period. If you are going to do it, DON'T TAKE A BOOK! Just sit back and listen.
As said already, it is glorious....even when there is no tuba part!

If you love this symphony like I do, you will be glad to know there is a brass quintet arrangement available!! No strings, no woodwinds, just brass - and the tuba part is A LOT more interesting!! You can find it on my website www.dorm40music.com or through sites like BVD Press, Robert King or Solid Brass Music. You can hear the 3rd movement performed by the Triton Brass on their MySpace page:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=54924497

Jobey Wilson on tuba. Great playing, Jobey!!

Mojo workin' · Post by **Mojo workin'** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:01 pm

thinking how uninteresting it is thematically and incohesive it is in its orchestration in spots.

An example of my ability to comprehend the specific.

But I will say that he is overplayed for his level of compositional quality.

An example of my ability to comprehend the general.

PS - Your first amendment rights? Were they somehow tread upon? Did anyone here somehow prevent you from disgorging your opinion? NO. Another fine example of your education that you tout so highly. Or are you saying that my holding an opinion contrary to your semi-offensively expressed one is a violation of your rights? Do you have an entitlement mindset as well? Where did you go to school, anyway? I need to write a letter addressing their failure to teach you some basic vocabulary, some basic reasoning, and some basic tact.

When you say something that was intentionally couched in language to provoke a response and you get a response that you do not like you just have to deal with it. Grow a thicker skin, man. I stand by my obtuse comment.

BTW â€“ Please provide us with examples of YOUR compositions that show you to be in a position to judge the work of your betters. I do not see YOUR stuff getting played much. But then maybe that is what this is REALLY about â€¦

Claptrap......and I was a tuba performance major.

I didn't realize Dvorak was held in such high esteem as to warrant personal attacks upon criticism of his works.

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:50 pm

Just drop it, man. If you take pot shots like that someone here will call you on it. You got called and you are still squirming to get out from under the microscope and teach us your personal definitions for specificity and generality.

One of the reasons I pop in every once in a while is to enjoy Wades defense of music against stupdity. Thanks man for keeping it real. I think Dvorak is one of the more under-rated composers just as I feel Mahler is one of the most over-rated, Dvorak was not afraid to write a tune and Mahler was over verklempt in his avoidance of one. Now, how does that sit with you, Mr. Mojo?

And, as with Wade, I have premiered and/or been forced to sit through more crap by so-called big name composers than I care to remember. Just like fat chicks and spandex, performance is a privilege, not a right.

Chuck"going away with a smile on my face because Wade is the man"Jackson

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:14 am

Wade,

I am honored. I'm a hack though, just a sucker for a pretty melody written in an interesting style and with grace and wit. I guess Brahms was an idiot, too. He loved Dvorak's music, even went as far as having it published for him. What did he know, nothing, or so it would seem from some of my better educated colleagues. Have Peace.

Chuck

Mojo workin' · Post by **Mojo workin'** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:46 am

I feel Mahler is one of the most over-rated, Dvorak was not afraid to write a tune and Mahler was over verklempt in his avoidance of one. Now, how does that sit with you, Mr. Mojo?

I guess Brahms was an idiot, too. He loved Dvorak's music, even went as far as having it published for him. What did he know, nothing, or so it would seem from some of my better educated colleagues.

Mojo is one of Johannes' biggest fans.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:52 pm

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:49 pm

Chuck Jackson wrote:I think Dvorak is one of the more under-rated composers just as I feel Mahler is one of the most over-rated, Dvorak was not afraid to write a tune and Mahler was over verklempt in his avoidance of one.

I don't know why you need to bring Mahler into this debate. DvorÃ¡k's music is pleasant and enjoyable, but to myself and I expect a lot of other listeners, lacks much depth of feeling. In contrast, Mahler's music explores the reaches of every human emotion.

For pleasant background music I will enjoy DvorÃ¡k, but for a really moving experience Mahler wins hands down every time - and as this a is a tuba forum, there cannot be many orchestral tubists who would rather be playing DvorÃ¡k than Mahler

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:03 pm

the elephant wrote:My professors told me so!

Back when I was in college, a couple of my professors told me that by the year 2000 or so, we might all be dead from the coming ice age. I always beleived what my professors said without question. Not!

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:06 pm

Mark wrote:Back when I was in college, a couple of my professors told me that by the year 2000 or so, we might all be dead from the coming ice age.

YOU STUDIED WITH AL GORE!? Wow.

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:16 pm

Mark wrote:
the elephant wrote:My professors told me so!
Back when I was in college, a couple of my professors told me that by the year 2000 or so, we might all be dead from the coming ice age. I always beleived what my professors said without question. Not!

My professors told me I wouldn't have any trouble getting a job with a music ed degree!

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:19 pm

windshieldbug wrote:
Mark wrote:Back when I was in college, a couple of my professors told me that by the year 2000 or so, we might all be dead from the coming ice age.
YOU STUDIED WITH AL GORE!? Wow.

The melody played when Al Gore for the first time shows the Manbearpig sketch is a part of AntonÃn DvoÅ™Ã¡k's Symphony No.9, "From the New World" (Adagio - Allegro molto).

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manbearpig

Apparently even this Oscar, Emmy, and Noble prize winner is an uneducated, buffoon with no taste in music.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:21 pm

BTW, I also like Dvorak's work.

To paraphrase Justice Stewart, I know good music when I hear it.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:23 pm

MartyNeilan wrote:
Mark wrote:
the elephant wrote:My professors told me so!
Back when I was in college, a couple of my professors told me that by the year 2000 or so, we might all be dead from the coming ice age. I always beleived what my professors said without question. Not!
My professors told me I wouldn't have any trouble getting a job with a music ed degree!

My literature professor told me it wouldn't affect my grade if I beat him at racketball.

So young and so foolish.