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5/4 Rudolf Meinl CC

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There has been this tuba on ebay for a while now. I see that it just keeps appearing. Feel like I have seen this a year or so ago. Says its from Israel, but honestly, I don't know if it's true. And the picture for the valve sectiom seems to not match the silver finish of the tuba. Can anyone give me any info on this or is this just another scam?

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It seems to me that when this horn was listed before there was another smaller (Rudy?) horn being sold also. Maybe the second picture is from the other horn and the seller got them mixed up? - A shot in the dark.

You are correct, however. That 2nd pic looks like lacquered brass on the valve tubing. At least on my monitor.

I have never seen a silver Rudy before this one. Also, it's not everyday you see one with a removable bell. Odd instrument.
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Dear friends!
I saw that you had a few inquieries about the Rudolf Meinel that's published on E-bay.
As owner of this instrument, I would like to clarify a few things:
The tuba on the photos is a certified 5/4 CC tuba made by Rudolf meinel diespeck. The bell size is 18'' (a little bit smaller than usual 20'' bells than Rudolf Meinel did on most of their 5/4 tubas).
This is due to the request of the former owner of this tuba, Mr Ariel Sasson, Tuba player at the Israeli opera orchestra and the Rishon Lezion Orchestra. The replacable bell was also made after his request.
As far as I know, Rudolf Meinel did only three tubas that have the replacable bell feature.
the tuba has 5 rotary valves and is silver plated.
I am selling the tuba alongside with a specially built flight case and gig bag.
Last price is 6500$.
I am joinning the link on e-bay. Feel free to ask if you me or Yuval, who's currently in charge of the sale, if you have any additional questions.
Thank you!
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Link to the tuba:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... LX:IT%20FW
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It seems like a huuuuuge stretch to call that tuba a 5/4 in the terms of a Rudy. The horn looks interesting, but the bell and bow are in no way Rudy 5/4 size. I'd be all over this horn if it was a legit 5/4.
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Cameron Gates wrote:It seems to me that when this horn was listed before there was another smaller (Rudy?) horn being sold also. Maybe the second picture is from the other horn and the seller got them mixed up? - A shot in the dark.

You are correct, however. That 2nd pic looks like lacquered brass on the valve tubing. At least on my monitor.

I have never seen a silver Rudy before this one. Also, it's not everyday you see one with a removable bell. Odd instrument.
Not your monitor...that is definitely lacquered brass in the picture.
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Dear friends!
My name is Arnon and I am the owner of the Rudolf Meinel diespeck that is featured on E-bay.
The tuba was manufactured for the forme owner of this tuba Mr Ariel Sasson (who used to be my tuba teacher and sold it to me).
Mr Sasson used to play at the Israeli opera orchestra and the Rishon Lezion orchestra (Israel).
While ordering this tuba from Rudolf Meinel, Mr Sasson requested that the tuba include a replacable bell and that it will be silver plated.
Due to fact that this instrument was handcrafted, its size is between 4/4 to 5/4-tending to be more 4/4 than 5/4 because the bell is rather smaller (18'') than most of 5/4 rudolf meinel that have a 22'' bell. This model tends to be a rudolf meinel RD45. Again, what makes this instrument so special are 2 things: It's silverplated, and it has the replacable bell (as seen in the pictures i included).
As for myself, I played this tuba in the young Israeli philharmonic orchestra, the Israeli Philharmonic orchestra, the Israeli Opera orchestra...
The price featured on E-bay includes also a gig bag and a flight case.
You can either write to me on this board or contact Yuval (who is responsible of running the sale on E-bay).
I hope this answers a few questions that were posted under this topic.
Thank you!
Arnon osherov
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Dear users: Cameron gates, Ck tuba and Shinytuba7.
Mr Cameron gates. The smaller horn that was posted was a euphonium that is already sold.I actually have this Rudolf Meinel that I am selling and an f tuba from alexander meinz that i would also like to sell (i haven't posted it on e bay yet because first i want to sell the rudolf meinel).
Ck tuba and Shinytuba7- You are all correct, it's the same instrument that was posted a year ago and I'm trying to sell it again, and yes, I am the same guy from Israel.
if you have any more questions concerning the rudolf meinel feel free to ask.
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Why does the second picture show lacquered brass?

How much are you going to ask for the Alexander?
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To texican and all other users:
you were all right and i thank you for noticing. The second picture I accidently put belongs to the Alexander and not to the Rudolf Meinel. I appologize for that and had the second picture removed.
I have also changed the tuba's description because it's more of a 4/4 tuba (although a little bit bigger than regular 4/4) and a little smaller than a 5/4 (due to the size of the bell). It can be reffered as between 4/4 to 5/4, and that is because it's a hand made instrument that was specifically designed under the request of the former owner Mr Ariel Sasson (for further info, please check my last posts).
As for the Alexander: wanted price is 5500$. It's from 1934 and was originally played by Rudolf Levy, former tuba player at the Israeli Philharmonic. It was actually the first ever Tuba owned by the Israeli Philharmonic. I should also point out that it needs repairment on the valves section.
I am not publishing it on E-bay yet, because I want first to sell the Rudolf Meinel.
Thank you.
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Dear Adam Peck!
The bell size on this tuba is 18''. as I said it's more than a 4/4 than a 5/4. Due to the fact that the tuba was hand made its size can be considered as something between 4/4 and 5/4, anyway, it's a little bigger than a regular 4/4.
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Re: 5/4 Rudolf Meinl CC

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Dear Mr Peck!
I will certainly measure the bore. By looking at their site, the size of the cc tuba i'm selling equals the Rd 45.
As the bell is 18'' it can be treated as a 4/4 more than a 5/4.
Looking at their catalogue, all the tubas i saw were gold plated and not silver plated like mine and I know for sure that they made 2 or 3 tubas that have the replacable bell that can be switched into a recording bell (i actually don't have the recording bell).
Anyway, I would be glad if you could spread the word on this instrument if you happen to hear about anyone intrested.
thanks.
Arnon
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