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BBb vs. EEb (on bass lines)

Postby KingBassTrombone » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:09 am

I'm not entirely sure whether this should go here, or in the TubeNet section... but...

I made this multitrack- the Yoshi's Island Athletic Theme. I had an idea, and I mixed the whole track twice... once using my BBb tuba on the bass, and once with my EEb, to compare how both horns perform and sound in this kind of setting. I figured that maybe some fellow Tubenetters may also be curious.

BBb: https://youtu.be/Hb0t-nBi2N0
EEb: https://youtu.be/pqoETHsR6uw

My EEb is a 1933 H.N.White King 1235 Symphony with permanent forward bell (left).
My BBb is a 1957 Besson Brevete model 221 with removable Recording bell (right).
The rest of the instruments in the videos are just accompaniment.

These tubas are just about the same size, by the way:
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Besson Brevete 221 BBb Recording tuba
1933 H.N.White King 1235 EEb bell-forward
King 2266 bell-forward baritone
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Re: BBb vs. EEb (on bass lines)

Postby Ace » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:39 am

Great post! Good playing and fun music. I prefer the BBb tuba in this context, but the Eb sounds good, also.

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Re: BBb vs. EEb (on bass lines)

Postby bloke » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:38 pm

Bb notes are longer, due to "big tuba after-ring".

I've learned these things from recording (as I lucked into some recording engagements beginning in my late teens...possibly due to "neutral" feelings towards me, and possibly "somewhat animus" feelings towards someone else) :
- Overplaying does not sound good on recordings (and no, you did none of that...congrats!)
- Since overplaying does not sound good on recordings, it probably doesn't sound good "live".
- Good playing is going to sound good on a tuba that can be played in tune and that is in good working order.
- Yes, wildly-different-looking tubas do tend to sound a bit different...and bigger tubas sound a bit different, but far less different than "different players playing them" sound.
- I'm looking forward to getting my Besson BBb recording bass (same bell/bows/mouthpipe tube as yours) in working order.

I enjoyed your audio tracks. :D
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Re: BBb vs. EEb (on bass lines)

Postby KingBassTrombone » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:39 am

bloke wrote:Bb notes are longer, due to "big tuba after-ring".

I've learned these things from recording (as I lucked into some recording engagements beginning in my late teens...possibly due to "neutral" feelings towards me, and possibly "somewhat animus" feelings towards someone else) :
- Overplaying does not sound good on recordings (and no, you did none of that...congrats!)
- Since overplaying does not sound good on recordings, it probably doesn't sound good "live".
- Good playing is going to sound good on a tuba that can be played in tune and that is in good working order.
- Yes, wildly-different-looking tubas do tend to sound a bit different...and bigger tubas sound a bit different, but far less different than "different players playing them" sound.
- I'm looking forward to getting my Besson BBb recording bass (same bell/bows/mouthpipe tube as yours) in working order.

I enjoyed your audio tracks. :D


Thank you!

I learned very quickly about the big tuba ring, and the delayed response of bigger tubas... learning that I need to articulate the note some time before the actual beat to sound correct was an adventure I still haven't mastered. Going from the BBb to the EEb feels like driving a dump truck, then hopping in a sports car because the response and clarity is miles apart. If I articulate the EEb in the same place I need to on the BBb, I end up playing almost a quarter of a beat (a 16th note value) ahead!

I've read on the forum little snippets about that Besson project you're planning, I can't wait to see it in its final form! I'd convert mine to 4v compensating in a heartbeat and get it refinished if I had the valve section, time, and money to spare.
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1933 H.N.White King 1235 EEb bell-forward
King 2266 bell-forward baritone
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