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Postby joshealejo » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:05 am

Greetings :D ,

Does anybody have the PDF/image/etc. files of the old B&S (1980-1990)? I am very curious about some models I saw on the internet. Also if anybody have the old Courtois catalogue where their tubas and euphoniums appears would be great too.

Some B&S old catalog images I have coulded find:
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Some Courtois old catalog images I have coulded find:
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C Courtois 168 "D'Orchestre"
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F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
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CC B&S 101 "Sonora"
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby bort » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 am

I have the blue VMI-branded catalog from the mid/late 90s... not exactly what you are asking for, but the closest I have. I'd that might be helpful, please let me know (send me an email).
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby joshealejo » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:17 am

Hey Brett! That one would be good too!, I will send you an email, my friend :)
C Courtois 168 "D'Orchestre"
Bb Courtois 267 "Challenger"
F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
CC B&S 4098 "Mel Culbertson - Neptune"
CC B&S 101 "Sonora"
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby bloke » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:22 am

really enjoyed seeing those...
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby joshealejo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:33 am

Hey Brett I sent you that message quite long ago :D :D :D :oops:
C Courtois 168 "D'Orchestre"
Bb Courtois 267 "Challenger"
F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
CC B&S 4098 "Mel Culbertson - Neptune"
CC B&S 101 "Sonora"
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby bort » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:49 am

AH! You sure did... sorry, I'll try to get to it in the next day or so.
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby joshealejo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:16 am

bort wrote:AH! You sure did... sorry, I'll try to get to it in the next day or so.




Thanks my friend! :D :tuba:
C Courtois 168 "D'Orchestre"
Bb Courtois 267 "Challenger"
F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
CC B&S 4098 "Mel Culbertson - Neptune"
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Vintage "B & S" catalogues

Postby Robert Tucci » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:43 am

Josh,

Good that you and obviously some others are interested in "B & S" history. I have the full catalog from which your posted pages were taken. This is quite extensive and includes the "Signalinstrumente" represented by the second half of this famous brand. "Blechblas- und Signalinstrumente". These are also refered to as "Martins Hoerner" having been manufactured by a company of that name.

Please note that I am traveling this week but as required, can scan and send parts of the catalog. The old models represent far more than that which was manufactured from the time the company was formed (1948) until the New Age descended on us after 1989. The people who made these instruments were important, the instruments and the company part of their lives. Having begun work at "B & S " well over thirty years ago, I had the good fortune to know most of them.

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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby joh_tuba » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:09 am

I bet they were amazing people to know. That level of craftsmanship is much rarer now and rarely supported by either consumers or employers.

I would also love to see this catalogue. Anyone willing to post it in a google drive folder or dropbox and give us access to download?
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Re: Vintage "B & S" catalogues

Postby the elephant » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:16 am

Robert Tucci wrote:Josh,

Good that you and obviously some others are interested in "B & S" history. I have the full catalog from which your posted pages were taken. This is quite extensive and includes the "Signalinstrumente" represented by the second half of this famous brand. "Blechblas- und Signalinstrumente". These are also refered to as "Martins Hoerner" having been manufactured by a company of that name.

Please note that I am traveling this week but as required, can scan and send parts of the catalog. The old models represent far more than that which was manufactured from the time the company was formed (1948) until the New Age descended on us after 1989. The people who made these instruments were important, the instruments and the company part of their lives. Having begun work at "B & S " well over thirty years ago, I had the good fortune to know most of them.

Bob Tucci


I hope you will post your scans here, rather than emailing them to him. I also would very much like to have a look at these pages. Posting a story about the company's history, having arisen out of the ashes of the second World War (like Miraphone), would be a fantastic history lesson for us all. From what companies did B&S originate? How was the company assembled? I am sure it was different under the communist government than how Miraphone formed up. Learning this would be very interesting for me, at least. I am sure that many others would agree.

Thanks in advance for anything you choose to share with us!

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Re: Vintage "B & S" catalogues

Postby joshealejo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:53 am

Robert Tucci wrote:Josh,

Good that you and obviously some others are interested in "B & S" history. I have the full catalog from which your posted pages were taken. This is quite extensive and includes the "Signalinstrumente" represented by the second half of this famous brand. "Blechblas- und Signalinstrumente". These are also refered to as "Martins Hoerner" having been manufactured by a company of that name.

Please note that I am traveling this week but as required, can scan and send parts of the catalog. The old models represent far more than that which was manufactured from the time the company was formed (1948) until the New Age descended on us after 1989. The people who made these instruments were important, the instruments and the company part of their lives. Having begun work at "B & S " well over thirty years ago, I had the good fortune to know most of them.

Bob Tucci


Thank you so much Mr. Tucci! I am very excited to watch those old catalogues and old tubas. I am pretty sure that those people where completly inmersed in their work.

Thank you so much for your response and hoping you can post those files. I am pretty sure many poeple here would like to appreciate them.

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F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby mctuba1 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:10 pm

I am very interested in seeing the earliest models of F tubas that were available in the '60s.
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby bort » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:19 pm

I just emailed Jose a scan of a VMI/B&S catalog from 1997. Not "old", but still 21 year ago!

Anyone else interested can PM or email me to receive a copy of the PDF.

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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby joshealejo » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:12 am

Thank you Brett!

Saw It! Lovely pictures! Pretty interesting that the Culbertson Apollo used to offer two 5th slides as well as the Neptune, assuming that It was for change It to Eb as the Neptune CC/BBb option.

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F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby pjv » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:57 am

Thanks for the link Berliner.
It was an enjoyable and informative read.
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby LCH3 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:30 am

Visited with Bob Tucci in Germany yesterday and saw the old catalogue. It is quite amazing with all of the instrument photos. Bob re-affirmed he will do the work to make it available.
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby joshealejo » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:02 pm

LCH3 wrote:Visited with Bob Tucci in Germany yesterday and saw the old catalogue. It is quite amazing with all of the instrument photos. Bob re-affirmed he will do the work to make it available.


Great! I cannot wait to watch those images!

I have to admit that after seeing this images I am kinda curious about this rare models and would love to have more info about them:

Weltklang 132 CC Tuba
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Meinl Weston 3044 F Tuba
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And of Course..

The Beautiful Weltklang 104 BBb Tuba
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C Courtois 168 "D'Orchestre"
Bb Courtois 267 "Challenger"
F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
CC B&S 4098 "Mel Culbertson - Neptune"
CC B&S 101 "Sonora"
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby bort » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:50 pm

The Weltklang 132 looks just like the VMI CC tuba I used to own , but with 4 valves.

It is the body and bell of a Meinl Weston 32, with a B&S valve set. If mine had 5 valves, I may have kept it!

Was also stenciled as VMI and Sternberg
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Re: OLD B&S catalogues

Postby joshealejo » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:25 am

bort wrote:The Weltklang 132 looks just like the VMI CC tuba I used to own , but with 4 valves.

It is the body and bell of a Meinl Weston 32, with a B&S valve set. If mine had 5 valves, I may have kept it!

Was also stenciled as VMI and Sternberg


Cool! The valve set looks very close to the Neptune but the tunning slide and leadpipe. It seems to be a very good alternative to a PT4
C Courtois 168 "D'Orchestre"
Bb Courtois 267 "Challenger"
F B&S 56AFT "Alessandro Fossi"
CC B&S 4098 "Mel Culbertson - Neptune"
CC B&S 101 "Sonora"
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