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Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby tizzdizz » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:11 pm

Hello, I have been reading a lot about chinese horns (i.e. Luzern from Wessex or the Mack 200/210 tubas), and am tempted to go that direction given my budget of ~3k. Older posts around here have said that Miraphones might be had for somewhere near there with some patience, but it seems like prices for those have gone way up lately. Or is that just me??

Anyway, I already have a 1928 Buescher recording bell-front tuba that I love the sound of. It's just too tall and unweildy for me, and has no case. The community band (60 players) I recently joined is quite a bit more active than my old band, and I'm nervous transporting this old horn, as it is very straight and in good condition.

I was wondering about more recognized alternatives (like Cerveny?) to the Chinese horns. If you know of any used examples that have a nice full sound and aren't a bear to play, I'm all ears. I am in Northern California if that makes any difference, and am not a professional player. Sorry this is not a very specific post! I am afraid of buying online without trying it out first.
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby Heavy_Metal » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:33 pm

Cerveny is a good choice, also the B&S 101 which might appear under a bunch of different stencil names (Gerhard Schneider, Sonora, Weltklang etc).
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby KL1997 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:12 pm

I played on a St. Petersburg 202N all through High School and in some College ensembles. It's a great horn for the price point.
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby SeanTuba321 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:55 pm

My schools band has 4 Cerveny tubas. I have to say, even though they only have a 15.75 inch bell (the ones at my school) they produce good, big, and rich sound. Far better than the Yamaha YBB-201’s at the middle school.
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby groth » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:24 pm

KL1997 wrote:I played on a St. Petersburg 202N all through High School and in some College ensembles. It's a great horn for the price point.

I Agree, this is top of my list as well. King 2341 would also be second pick.
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby Sousaswag » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:40 am

If you're willing to go a bit higher with your budget, PM me I'm willing to work a bit on price. I have a VMI 3302 5 valve BBb.. it's not rotary but is a great horn.
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby tizzdizz » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:53 am

Sousaswag - thanks for mentioning that. It does look like a great horn.

Thanks guys for the tips - very helpful. The King 2341 and St Pete seem to come up quite a bit as recommended horns in my search. I hope to be able to try them out sometime. I have a couple options locally at the moment that I'm looking into. If those don't pan out I'll continue the hunt.
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby iiipopes » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:00 pm

Why has nobody mentioned the workhorse?
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby tizzdizz » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:36 pm

Would love a 186, but they are not really affordable for me at the moment.

Today I was able to pick up a Cerveny-made Musica from one of the members here, who lives not too far from here. I am really excited to bring it home and toot. It really fits the bill in terms of size, playability, condition and price. It has a .787" bore, and is like new. I understand that it's the same as an x83 model horn. Thanks all!

I've taken a couple demo videos of the horns I've tried, and may post them up for future info-seekers.

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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby Dan Schultz » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:35 pm

I have a very nice B & S model 101 in raw brass complete with a new gig bag for $2,500.
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Re: Looking for 4/4 BBb 4valve/rotary - med bore

Postby iiipopes » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:42 am

tizzdizz wrote:Would love a 186, but they are not really affordable for me at the moment.[/attachment]

Yeah, I forget I got mine for "nothing" two decades ago, but when I factor in what I have done to it over the years, including a new bell....
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