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B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- traded!

Postby bort » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:12 pm

I have decided to sell my B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba. This is an awesome tuba -- but I've decided that I want to return to rotary valves. The piston tuba world just isn't for me.

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It is a large 6/4 CC tuba, with 4 pistons + 1 rotor. It is effectively the same as a PT-6P, but with a Kaiser tuba bell (19.5" diameter) and a larger bottom bow. Possibly a few other minor differences, but not much. To me, I see it as a PT-6 with the potential for more output. It is at home in a large ensemble, but can easily be controlled and provide a clear, full, and warm foundation without being overbearing. (Note: the piston Neptune is also very similar, but has an even larger 20.5" bell diameter, and some other differences based on what Mel Culbertson wanted. I find the sound of the PT-7 closer to the PT-6 (more focused) than the Neptune (wider).)

This tuba was built in the year 2000, and was previously professionally owned and used in Colombia and Venezuela. A tuba with a story to tell!

I bought this in the summer of 2018; it took a while to get the tuba from South America to the US, and when it arrived, there were a few dents and a bell crease from shipping damage. I took it straight to the repair shop, and it spent a few months there... although much of the work was unrelated to shipping (cleaning, repairing bad solder joints, etc.). There was nothing severe, but a lot of small things that added up.

The end result was that during Fall 2018, the tuba received a play-condition overhaul -- the entire tuba was picked over, disassembled and repaired as needed, and all of the issues were fixed. Again, there was nothing tragically wrong with the tuba, but just many small things that added up to need fixing -- fix bad joints, give it a DEEP and thorough cleaning, anything out-of-round, and as many dents removed as possible. The difference between play-condition overhaul and a full overhaul is that my tuba was not 100% de-dented, sanded, buffed, and refinished. There are still small dents and dings here and there on the outer branches. From a few feet away, it looks pretty good. Up close, it won't win the beauty contest. Valve section is clean, and the entire tuba is in excellent mechanical condition, all slides move easily, etc. The tuba is in raw brass, except for the outside of the bell. A previous owner did that, and I'm not sure why.

This tuba plays and sounds incredible -- response is quick and easy, the sounds is strong and clear, and intonation is very, very easy. I'm not a slide puller, and I do very little work to play this tuba in-tune. For a 6/4 tuba, that's rare. It's a point and shoot tuba for me, and it takes little effort to make a nice full sound. And if you want a big sound... it'll give you as much as you can handle and then some. A while back, someone told me "you'll never struggle for volume." Lots of focus and clarity, no "woofiness." Low register is HUGE and easy.

I've done a little work with the valves, in an effort to get myself to like piston valves more. The valves are great -- but the upgrades didn't cure me of my rotary preferences. So, the next owner will get to inherit some tricked-out valves (all of the original parts are included as well):
  • Baer PVAK
  • Sellmansberger lightweight finger buttons
  • Yamaha euphonium and tuba springs included
  • Delrin (plastic) valve guides for QUIET valve alignment

I had considered buying a set of MAW valves, but never got around to it. I would imagine the results would be pretty fun.

Includes an Gotz gig bag. Shows some wear, and one of the zipper pulls is broken, but it is functional and works reasonably well. If I were keeping the tuba, I'd probably replace the bag eventually... out of vanity, not out of necessity.

Financially, I'm taking a bit of a loss on this tuba, I put more money into it than I had planned (tuba + overhaul + upgrades), and have certainly spent more than I am asking for it. :oops: I'm just looking for an easy sale.

For comparison, I know of 2 other PT-7's that have sold in the past year, from Dillon (~$10,000) and BBC (~$9,000). Both were in better condition, as far as I know... shiny lacquer and few dents.

Price is $7250, and the tuba is located in Minneapolis. Local pickup only; this is too big for me to consider shipping, and I'm just not willing to deal with that stress.

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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby Pelagius » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:17 am

If I didn't have a PT-6P already I would definitely jump on this.
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby jonathanb11 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:58 pm

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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby joshealejo » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:35 pm

Certenly a great tuba for an even greater price!
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby barry grrr-ero » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:53 pm

Hi folks. This looks like a great deal. I think the tuning slide layout is a bit different than on the piston Neptune that I briefly owned (I sold it and bought a rotary Neptune, due to the concert band work I do [lots of fast licks]). I think the description of this as a sort of 'super PT-6' would be accurate. If I had the cash upfront and my 63 year old hands could tolerate long stretches with piston valves again, I would jump on this a heartbeat. This is a rare bird and these big B&S tubas hold a 'dark' tone while pouring on the coal like almost nothing else I've tried.

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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby bort » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:26 pm

Thanks, everyone. :tuba:
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby bort » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:23 pm

Weekend bump, thanks for all the interest so far!
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby tubaport » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:50 pm

Great, underrated, German quality sound tubas! If you’re looking for 6/4 sound at a good price, this is a good buy.
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250

Postby bort » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:00 pm

Someone asked me about trades -- yes, I'll consider trades for medium and large rotary CC tubas. My short list is Miraphone 188, Rudy 3/4, Alexander 163, and B&S Neptune. But if you have something not on that list, send me a PM and we can talk. :)

Thanks! This tuba is going to make someone very happy! :tuba:
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available

Postby bort » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:23 pm

Tuba is available again; a potential trade was cancelled (for reasons totally unrelated to this tuba).
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby bort » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:50 pm

Available again!

Trade interests are narrowing down to:
Alexander 163
Miraphone 188 (gold brass)
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby eutubabone » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:14 pm

Hey Bort
How much does your tuba weigh? I've got a Alex 163 and its 20lb.
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby bort » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:59 pm

I actually don't have a scale, but I'd guess somewhere around 25 pounds. I know my Willson was ~25 pounds, and this feels a little lighter (or at the very least, the weight is more evenly distributed and it's more comfortable to hold). I'll try to get a weight in the next few days.
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby eutubabone » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:30 pm

Ok
I could probably deal with that
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby eutubabone » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:52 pm

Bort
22.2 lbs. For alex 163 CC 5
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby bort » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:18 pm

I've confirmed that the PT-7 weighs about 25 pounds. Which is actually the same as my former Willson 3050RZ, except the PT-7 feels much better balanced and overall just easier to hold.

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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby bort » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:36 pm

Weekend bump!

If you're interested but concerned about "no shipping," travel to Minneapolis, etc., please send me an email and we can talk about it. :tuba:
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby drow2buh » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:52 pm

Hmmm, Minneapolis? I live in WI and would love to give it a play sometime! Maybe we can grab a beer sometime!
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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- $7250 -- Available again

Postby BB0405 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:43 pm

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Re: B&S PT-7 (4198) CC tuba -- on hold

Postby bort » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:27 am

All over but the bus ride...
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