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Re: 186 C tubas - attic treasure - PICTURES ADDED !!!

Postby djwpe » Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:02 pm

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Postby Stryk » Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:23 pm

OH YA!
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Postby bloke » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:58 pm

Here's something funny:

The ONE THING that's (for the moment) BUZZING on this 50-year-old tuba...??

nope: NONE of the original hand-made moving parts...NOT the brought-back-from-the-dead bell kranz...

:arrow: It's the 5th valve action rod with the "newer technology" German-made Minibal links. :lol:
(and yeah, those links are TIGHT on to the rod, turned in to the last possible correct orientation.)

:idea: I'm going to dig into my Minibal stuff, and find some of those special wide-head screws w/nylon washers. They should do the trick.
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Postby binlove » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:55 am

Hi Joe, what’s the maintenance on a finish like that? Can you polish it like standard silver plate, or is a special procedure required?
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Postby bloke » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:10 am

binlove wrote:Hi Joe, what’s the maintenance on a finish like that? Can you polish it like standard silver plate, or is a special procedure required?


I use the smelly (sulfur odor) milky/watery stuff that CHEMICALLY (as opposed to abrasively) dissolves oxidation, as most anything else tends to embed itself in the texture of the surface. PLUS, that sulfur-stink stuff (gloves required) works FAST.
In between times that use that product, I wipe off smeary and white discoloration (from everyday use) with strong isopropyl alcohol...and - if the alcohol doesn't cut the smears/oil/dirt - I use a bit of charcoal starter (which is more aggressive on dirt/oxidation, yet doesn't harm the silver) and then go back over it with the alcohol (to remove the charcoal starter's odor).

OVER THE DECADES, though (as a blast finish tends to get worn down smoother and less - at a microscopic or tactile level - "prickly"), regular (abrasive) polishes won't tend to embed themselves quite as much, but will still "hang", and need to be - finally - gone over with a solvent (again: charcoal starter or gasoline, and then alcohol). Otherwise, the abrasive polish residue (though not able to be seen on the instrument) will end up on clothing and skin.
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Postby Casca Grossa » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:26 am

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I want this so much!!!
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Why have 3 valves when you can have 6 and a main tuning slide kicker???
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Postby groovlow » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:36 am

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Desire to play this one but scared I might want one of my own!
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Postby GC » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:02 pm

Ghostly looking, and lovely.
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Re: 186 C tubas - attic treasure - PICTURES ADDED !!!

Postby bloke » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:23 pm

I pulled out a pair of those special Minibal™ wide-top screws and a pair of those tiny nylon washers (which eliminate rotation with Minibal™ links).
The 5th valve linkage rattle (and sympathetic vibration with quite a few pitches) has ceased.

The very last thing left to do is to lap in the 1st and 5th circuits' slides (already nicely-aligned, but not yet "floating").
I'm not in a particular hurry to do this, because (as with my roughly-a-dozen-years-younger F tuba) I'm not finding any real need to manipulate any slides when playing this thing.

I could (??) replace some of the ancient strike plate rubber bumpers, but most of them were too large, and trimming them back to where they belonged exposed "fresh" (protected from the air for a half century) rubber.
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Postby bort » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:28 pm

Any more thoughts if it's a flip or a keeper?
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Postby bloke » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:34 am

bort wrote:Any more thoughts if it's a flip or a keeper?


It replaces the 4/4 C helicon, yet can be taken to a "concert" venue without stares and explanation inquiries from colleagues...
...and I have the sparkly Bb sousaphone (potentially louder than the concert-tuba-sounding C helicon) for stand-up jobs, and can use it without being constantly concerned about someone bumping into me or (as there's no hard case possible) someone slamming their brakes in front of me in traffic...and no, I'm not a "tailgater", but - if your area is like mine - if you attempt to "follow at a safe distance" in heavy traffic, other drivers change lanes and fill in the safe distance.
(That having been said, I never had any music director/conductor ask about the helicon, and only one - once - remarked (positive comment) that he liked the way "that tuba wraps around you".) Mostly, for the "fear of damage" (at venues or in transport) I'd not used the helicon to generate income for over a year, thus it fell subject to "bloke's Rule".

common characteristics: (Miraphone 186 - Buescher C helicon)
> 4/4 & C-length
> very easily played in tune
> very easy response throughout the range of the instruments
> very nice/clear/pleasant sonic characteristics
(I'm neither a roto-phile nor a pisto-phile. Rather, I'm a goodo-phile.) :wink:

:arrow: One of my next few restorations (to SELL) will be YET ANOTHER (a bit older 5-rotor 186 C). I really can't schedule according to "demand" (ex: five people emailing me and letting me know that they are interested in something I have that currently is not sell-ready), but must do this as a combination of "which thing, here, requires the least work and creates the most income" PLUS "how swamped am I, at any given moment, with institutional un-destroy work...or slates of gigs...or needed/long-scheduled home/property improvements/repairs" (a few ex's: currently, several 95%-finished house updates/repairs, a need to replace ~ALL~ house interior plumbing fixtures and under-faucet feed lines...19-year-old well-fed house), several incomplete property fencing projects, and three not-completed outbuilding projects).
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Postby bloke » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:23 pm

OK...I'm just "pickin' " now, but...I've now replaced the temporary (ancient/as found, and temporarily re-used after plating) water key corks with some nice/new German-style (Miraphone style) "mushroom top" water key corks.

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Postby bort » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:03 pm

bort wrote:Any more thoughts if it's a flip or a keeper?


bloke wrote:[Words...]


It appears you've selected "keeper." :D
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Postby bloke » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:22 pm

yes...certainly as I see things for now...

Some of the 186 C's from this era - well - stunk, intonation-wise.

The TWO that are here are BOTH quite easy to steer.
(I'm getting by without any slide-pulling, so far...)

The five-years older 186 (but, candidly, far less abused), offers a more mellow resonance, whereas this one has more of that (no...not as much as those from the mid-70's, but...) 186 "bark". I was personally MORE attracted - then - to this one, as that portion of the "tuba sonic spectrum" (how's THAT for some serious b.s. term? :shock: ) differs more from my 5/4 (5450). Some accuse the 5450 tubas of being "barky" tubas, but (well) some misc. youtube videos that diverse people have posted of me using it do not (at least, not to my ears) support those claims. I will admit, though, to having heard 5450 tubas being played (rather than "barky") "badly". :P
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Postby bloke » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:37 pm

Someone - on another tubaphile website - named this tuba, "Ice". 8)

I've now refurbished its fifty-years faithful sidekick, "Noir". :lol:

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Postby bisontuba » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:04 pm

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Postby bort » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:12 am

Are you using a vintage C4(?) With it?
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Postby bloke » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:02 am

I'm sure I have one around here...somewhere, and - if not - can come reasonably close with a handful of stainless steel components.
(I've been experimenting...currently, with an Orchestra Grand cup, Symphony standard shank, and my long-personal-favorite rim.)

I doubt that - very often - I'll be using this case for actual transport.

Again, I have a perfect-fit San-Fran. Reunion Blues bag (shared between this tuba and my not-perfect-fitting F tuba...and I'd really love to have TWO of them), as well as a 4/4 Johnson case.

That having been said, it's a good place to store it at home - as a measured attempt to prevent accidents...and (well...) I've not kept it a secret that - with vintage instruments, which were typically offered with ONE CHOICE of wooden (earlier eras: thick leather) case specifically crafted to fit a model - I'm an original-case-ophile.

What do I like best about it?
:arrow: the pre-Sun Valley, pre-Valencia, pre-San Antonio, pre-loss-of-exclusive-USA-distributorship "Mirafone Los Angeles" emblem on the outside. 8)
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Postby iiipopes » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:48 pm

bloke, your poll left out an option: beer tap.
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