Wessex BBb Tubas

[Three Valves]

Comrades!!

[iiipopes]

I really really have to ask ...how is this not "casting aspersions"? What 'appened to "STOP...ENOUGH!" ?
I get that you reserve the right to protest when you feel bothered because you opened something and read it,
but put differently, weren't you then saying "shut up unless I want to listen" ...
yet now are sayin' "listen I have something to say" ? What a crock ...

I made objective observations after reading the document. I did not challenge the veracity of anything or anybody, and I made no subjective value judgments of the persons and entities involved.

Now, if you don't know the difference between objective analysis and slinging mud, then you have a lot to learn yourself.

pfft!
your language has drifted from polite legalese ("aspersions") to something less than that ("mudslinging") ...that makes me think you are the one bearing malice here, popesie

Now...what did you say happened to "STOP!! ENOUGH" ?

Dammit! If you had actually read my post, especially my comment about how the registration of the patent seemed to have expired due to lack of renewal fee in the UK, that was as objective an observation as it gets, and was actually in Wessex' favor. You obviously have no clue how to read documents, and for your prior comment about intellectual property, yes, I did take that course in law school. Currently, I am not a lawyer; I do not practice; but I can damn well still analyze documents and make reasonable objective inferences from what I read before me, and render my personal opinions accordingly. If you disagree with them, that is one thing, but to accuse me of mudslinging is way off the mark, and you are out of line. Now, get off. I don't give a damn if it is earth day or not, I will still purchase a virtual beverage for you to just go away and think about the difference between objective discussion where reasonable persons may differ, and your mudslinging, which you desperately need to learn the difference.

[bort]

Whoa...

Earth day is still a thing?

[Wyvern]

I do not want to prolong the mud slinging of this thread any longer, but need to put the record straight. At the time the previously quoted post was made, Wessex Tubas was just in the process of filing for patent on the Z valves - but then it was highlighted that there may be previous patent for something similar, so we stopped and reviewed the situation. The previous post maybe should have said 'patent pending', but I am no lawyer and it was probably poorly worded. Why all this big fuss about wording anyway? The only reason to mention patent is to try to stop competitors using the idea. I don't know anyone who buys a product just because an aspect is patented.

I also don't know why some of you so have it in for a small company like Wessex Tubas who are doing our very best to improve the standard of Chinese made brass, and increase the options of tubas and euphonium available - making people's dreams of owning a tuba come true. I don't do this to make lots of money (to the disappointment of my wife), but mainly for the love of tubas, as anyone who knows me will attest. If you doubt, visit the Wessex Tubas booth at ITEC. We will have five new models of tuba and a new front action compensated euphonium on show. None of those are 'clones' - all original new designs. I will be proud to show you - and pleased to meet you in person whoever you may be (yes even you DP) as we are all part of the tuba brotherhood (or sisterhood).



Jonathan

[Three Valves]

There.

See??

Now you haters can just keep on doin' what you do!!

[bisontuba]

I do not want to prolong the mud slinging of this thread any longer, but need to put the record straight. At the time the previously quoted post was made, Wessex Tubas was just in the process of filing for patent on the Z valves - but then it was highlighted that there may be previous patent for something similar, so we stopped and reviewed the situation. The previous post maybe should have said 'patent pending', but I am no lawyer and it was probably poorly worded. Why all this big fuss about wording anyway? The only reason to mention patent is to try to stop competitors using the idea. I don't know anyone who buys a product just because an aspect is patented.

I also don't know why some of you so have it in for a small company like Wessex Tubas who are doing our very best to improve the standard of Chinese made brass, and increase the options of tubas and euphonium available - making people's dreams of owning a tuba come true. I don't do this to make lots of money (to the disappointment of my wife), but mainly for the love of tubas, as anyone who knows me will attest. If you doubt, visit the Wessex Tubas booth at ITEC. We will have five new models of tuba and a new front action compensated euphonium on show. None of those are 'clones' - all original new designs. I will be proud to show you - and pleased to meet you in person whoever you may be (yes even you DP) as we are all part of the tuba brotherhood (or sisterhood).



Jonathan

+1.....

[iiipopes]

I do not want to prolong the mud slinging of this thread any longer, but need to put the record straight. At the time the previously quoted post was made, Wessex Tubas was just in the process of filing for patent on the Z valves - but then it was highlighted that there may be previous patent for something similar, so we stopped and reviewed the situation. The previous post maybe should have said 'patent pending', but I am no lawyer and it was probably poorly worded. Why all this big fuss about wording anyway? The only reason to mention patent is to try to stop competitors using the idea. I don't know anyone who buys a product just because an aspect is patented.

I also don't know why some of you so have it in for a small company like Wessex Tubas who are doing our very best to improve the standard of Chinese made brass, and increase the options of tubas and euphonium available - making people's dreams of owning a tuba come true. I don't do this to make lots of money (to the disappointment of my wife), but mainly for the love of tubas, as anyone who knows me will attest. If you doubt, visit the Wessex Tubas booth at ITEC. We will have five new models of tuba and a new front action compensated euphonium on show. None of those are 'clones' - all original new designs. I will be proud to show you - and pleased to meet you in person whoever you may be (yes even you DP) as we are all part of the tuba brotherhood (or sisterhood).



Jonathan

+2 Thanks.

[tofu]

Funny when you look up "TubeNet" in the dictionary it says: see "Manure Blend"

[PaulMaybery]

Thanks Jonathan. You (Wessex) are appreciated. If anyone would put themselves in your shoes and understand the amount of work and travel that you undertake, and the progress you have been making, in an sometimes thankless market, there might be less missunderstanding and misconception of what Wessex is actually doing. I've been a fan of Wessex for several years since the purchase of my cimbasso and wait with baited breath for the delivery of my next acquisition this summer. You are a very new company and with that it needs to be understood that there are bugs to be worked out. You have always been fair and square and on the side of the musician. What more can we ask? I'm old enough to remember when imports from Germany back in the late 50s and early '60s were nothing really to "write home about." Sure they improved and certain europhiles still tout them as the best. I try to look to the future and see the potential that you have tapped and admire all the progress you have made with a manufacturer from the other side of the world. We all have different sympathies. I just hope we can all treat each other fairly and with a modicum of respect. Cheers to Wessex.

[iiipopes]

EEK !!!

Yes, I knew that bloke would get my reference in my post above. Thanks!

[Salazarsam33]

So uhh back to Wessex BBb tubas....

Anybody ever try the Michigan (1291) and the luzern (hirsbrunner) side by side.

Aside from the obvious piston vs rotary setup, how do the the tubas feel and respond. Do they both have their own peculiar sound and feel that you liked?