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Z-Tuba Dude wrote: I have to admit that I have always been a little foggy in my understanding of how fixed Do is used. I think I may be getting it, though.....

: singing "Do, Re, Mi, Fa, ...etc.", is the same as someone else just singing pitches by the note names "C---, D---, E---, F---, ...etc. That is all.
Yup, you got it completely. :wink:

I don't know if there is a real problem in/secret of teaching fixed Do users chromatic alterations. I always was hopeless at solfege and got through the course in Amsterdam with the lowest grade you could get and pass... Anyway, we used movable La over there ;)

I do know that in countries where they use fixed Do solfege training starts at a very early age and is drilled to perfection. In the room next to where I work I hear classes of 9-12 year olds doing 1 1/2 hour sessions of singing all kinds of stuff on note names every week. They start simple (It was chrismas songs last week ;) ) and end at quite advanced stuff I'd have difficulty with sightreading. (and I have a music degree)
If you do the advanced course in the conservatories you have to sightread, on notenames, atonal solfeges moving through seven different clefs. I've never heard complaints that the subtleties of chromatism couldn't be conveyed, so it probably isn't a problem.
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windshieldbug wrote:It gets weirder; can you have transpositions in a Fixed Do (like treble clef), or is everything called what it is and you learn to compensate (like bass clef). Can you have alto clef, or is that just Movable Do with a squiggly clef symbol?
They learn all clefs by the time transposition comes into view, so transposition is treated as if it were a different clef. French horn in Eb: bass clef. Horn in D: alto clef. Horn in F: C clef on the second line. (Don't know what you call that. mezzo-bassissimo clef?)
Also confusing: Italian french horn players talk in absolute pitch, bur most of us north-westeners talk in F. Then when you transpose, some people keep talking in F while others use the name as written.... :roll: Great material to completly drive the conductor mad :twisted:
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corbasse wrote:... Horn in F: C clef on the second line. (Don't know what you call that. mezzo-bassissimo clef?)
C clef on the next-to-bottom line is mezzo-soprano clef, on the bottom line is soprano clef, and on the top line is baritone clef. If you don't mind using leger lines, treble clef is the first one below the staff, and bass clef is the first one above the staff ... :)
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I always thought it was this "Doh" method:

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Kevin Hendrick wrote:C clef on the next-to-bottom line is mezzo-soprano clef, on the bottom line is soprano clef, and on the top line is baritone clef. If you don't mind using leger lines, treble clef is the first one below the staff, and bass clef is the first one above the staff ... :)
So what is mezzo-alto clef? and counter-bass clef?
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windshieldbug wrote:
Kevin Hendrick wrote:C clef on the next-to-bottom line is mezzo-soprano clef, on the bottom line is soprano clef, and on the top line is baritone clef. If you don't mind using leger lines, treble clef is the first one below the staff, and bass clef is the first one above the staff ... :)
So what is mezzo-alto clef? and counter-bass clef?
My best guess on mezzo-alto clef would be second space from the bottom (between mezzo-soprano and alto). Counter-bass clef? Probably three leger lines above the staff (of course, if you get a good deal on it, it'd be bargain-counter-bass clef) ... :P :wink:
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Kevin Hendrick wrote:Counter-bass clef? Probably three leger lines above the staff (of course, if you get a good deal on it, it'd be bargain-counter-bass clef)
No, that'd be contra-bass clef, and you'd have to fight Ollie North for Do... :lol:
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chiltern wrote: Eh, so I tried, and admitted I couldn't spell it. Don't worry, I won't bother in the future.
But please, do keep trying. You have to understand it's difficult for us at times to get these phonetic writings. Did you understand Sjra's reply to me?
sjra wrote:zenk joe verrie verrie mats en 1 merrie krismas doed
That's English. Didn't understand? That's because it's written in Dutch phonetics. The effect the other way around is often just as confusing for us... :)
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windshieldbug wrote:... that'd be contra-bass clef, and you'd have to fight Ollie North for Do... :lol:
That would seem to be contra-indicated ("what, mi worry?") ... :wink:
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Kevin Hendrick wrote:That would seem to be contra-indicated ("what, mi worry?") ... :wink:
That'd be a real I re-nian scandal if you did! :oops:
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windshieldbug wrote:
Kevin Hendrick wrote:That would seem to be contra-indicated ("what, mi worry?") ... :wink:
That'd be a real I re-nian scandal if you did! :oops:
Now how did I missile that before? Just not my cup of ti, I guess ... :lol:
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