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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bort » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:00 pm

Tubachin wrote:I too, am looking for solutions to my heavy CC tuba. Carrying it along with a stand, etc. to and from rehearsals is not yet a bother, but will be as I become an older tuba player. I am thinking about getting a F tuba as it is lighter and takes less air (my observations), which are both advantages as I age.

Any one else thinking about a similar solution???


At one time when I lived in NYC, I had a large Marzan tuba. I would commute 1 hour each way (walking and standing on the subway) with the tuba, a playing stand, and a music stand. It was unreasonably heavy and even as a healthy man in my early 30s, it was just not sustainable or enjoyable. I sold that tuba and bought a Miraphone 188 (and eliminated the need for the stand). Everything was immediately more enjoyable, easier, and more fun with the 188.

F tubas are fun, and have their musical purposes... but I would not seek one out as a replacement for a CC tuba. I would just choose a smaller or lighter CC tuba instead. I tried using an F tuba only one summer, as part of a large tuba section. I figured that I'd take it easy, and let the others do the heavy lifting. It was a great idea, except for the rehearsals where none of the other tuba players showed up, and it was just me with a small F tuba! As 1 of 7, it worked nicely. As the only tuba player -- no way!

Of course, now that I live in Minnesota, I drive everywhere I need to go with my tuba. One reason I bought a 6/4 tuba to use at this point in life was because I know I'm driving everywhere, and because I'm young enough to still handle it. Weight is not the reason I'm looking to sell it though.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bort » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:01 pm

One other bit of context -- my youngest son just turned 19 months, and weighs a little over 30 pounds. It's more difficult to pick him up than it is to pick up the PT-7. :)
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:27 pm

bort wrote:One other bit of context -- my youngest son just turned 19 months, and weighs a little over 30 pounds. It's more difficult to pick him up than it is to pick up the PT-7. :)


When people tell me and/or TubeNetdom that their tubas weigh 32 - 35 lbs. (etc.), there really aren't many tubas that are that heavy.

My heavily customized 2165 with 6 rotors and a friggin' tone ring (I think it's current owner has loaned it to someone), weighs a scant 30 lbs.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Charlie C Chowder » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:08 pm

It is amazing to me how much difference it feels to pick up my 31 lb. canoe and my 32 lb. tuba. Maybe it is the visuals as my canoe is 17 ft. long as appose to my 4.33 ft. tuba.

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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:01 pm

probably: balance issues

"30 lbs. hanging out in front of you" is much more difficult to manage than "30 lbs. cradled within your space"...

bloke "which is why so many people don't seem to mind carbing out, and gaining endless dozens of extra pounds of weight"
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Charlie C Chowder » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:18 pm

Yea, I got that problem too!

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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:23 pm

Charlie C Chowder wrote:Yea, I got that problem too!

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many of us...I'm (finally...geez... :roll: ) doing something about it.

I have a ways to go, but I'm back down two trousers sizes, buttoning both buttons on my gig suit-coat, and had to buy a smaller white dress shirt. Along with weight, BP is down...I recommend it.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby euphomate » Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:52 pm

This may be too personal a question, but what did you start at, and what is the target finish point. Remember that the tuba should never be heavier than it's owner. :D
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:15 pm

You didn’t use the quote function. Are you addressing me?

whatever...

Assuming that you are, I got tired of eating poorly and carrying around two or three extra tubas a month or so ago…maybe be a bit longer ago. So far, I’ve lost a 5/4 tuba. I plan on losing a couple more of them. Unlike old guys of the past - as neither one of my grandfathers were overweight, and both lived to be 90 - a bunch of old guys today are quite obese. I have to assume that many older men who talk about finding lighter weight tubas might better look towards losing a tuba or two or three from themselves...and no, I am not-at-all claiming that this is always the case, and I also realize that some people have back and shoulder issues, and not just hip, knee, and foot issues. Those with lower body issues, though - it just seems to me - would be no worse off weighing 50 pounds less and continuing to carry their 25 pound tubas. Is my logic flawed?
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Matt Walters » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:13 am

Dear Friend Joe,

I think it is great that you are loosing this weight and I truly hope you have found what works for you that you can keep it off. Keep it up.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Bill Troiano » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:47 am

At 67, I'm getting up there. I do exercise 4-5 days a week and I keep my weight around where it should be (except from late Nov. - mid Jan.) My issues are more about arthritis and joint degeneration. I've posted regarding lighter tubas in the past. My shoulders, knees and mid lower back ache a lot. My Jupiter/Stofer CC sousaphone weighs 26 lbs. with the brass bell. I played 2 long gigs with it this weekend where I strolled around and I felt the discomfort Sunday and Monday (no gym). I ordered a fiberglass King bell that should arrive tomorrow. Maybe, it won't sound as good, but it will reduce the overall weight by about 5 lbs. That's my old man sousaphone, that I play a lot. Regarding tubas, I use an old 186 5U CC that is under 20 lbs. I have a 4 valve Gnagey CC that is under 20 lbs. My BMB F, that I rarely play, is around 17 lbs. and my Yamaha 621CC is around 15 lbs. Those are my old man tubas. I rarely play the Yamaha these days, but I know as I age, I will use it more frequently. Although I don't own one, a Piggy would be a great all around old man tuba, if you find a good one.

Like Matt said, diets don't work to reduce body weight permanently, but diet and exercise can, if you incorporate both on a regular basis - a conscious lifestyle change.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:24 am

My own mother (beautiful, and hired as a model when in her early 20's...money which she used to attend the University of Iowa) was NOT a "naturally thin" person...

...but it was important to her (throughout her entire life) to avoid becoming overweight. When she would discover that she had gained two or three pounds, she would eat less for a while - always keeping her weight under control. Her motivation really was not health, but (as a former model) appearance.

It's just a matter of how important something is to someone. If it's important enough to someone to become a really fine musician, they will likely accomplish that as long as they employ the correct strategies and remain steadfast. Hands down, one of today's finest tuba players is someone who I view as not particularly a "natural talent", but someone who has worked extremely diligently towards their goals. They same goes for weight control. me...(not anyone else who reads this)...I need to keep "weight control" as a very important thing in my life. It never really has been in the past. Finally, I believe depression is a factor in overeating as well. ' funny, but "treating the symptom" seems to do remarkable things towards treating the illness. :|

"Food choices" - it seems to me - is one of the most important factors. When one looks at current photographs the Inuit population (many who have embraced the "American-super-high-carbohydrate-food-and-snacks-and-eat-to-fight-boredom diet") it's quickly apparent that many within that population are morbidly obese, as almost none of those people (who formerly lived with a high-fat/moderate-protein diet combined with rigorous activity) were obese in the distant past. Sugar-based foods (both via their taste, and what they do to us biochemically) are extremely addictive.

If I fail to lose the rest of this excess weight (or fail to keep it off), I'm sure that I can come up with "reasons" for failing at those endeavors...and (as that's just not done) no one will say anything about my failures, so...
...and there is PLENTY of rigorous activity in which I can engage around here (avoiding "exercise" humdrum). This winter, I've been embracing those activities...and (hey...guess what?) the surrounding property is beginning to much more resemble a "park" than "stickers, brambles, thickets, and privet hedge infestation". Further, all of that garbage vegetation that was ruining these otherwise-beautiful woods, is now placed in washes and is reversing erosion. I've even constructed a couple of vehicle-width roads :shock: (some of which required serious digging, as well as bringing in trailer-load tonnage of ground-up asphalt, and hand-slinging it with a grain shovel) leading down to formerly vehicle-inaccessible acreage.

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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bort » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:50 am

The exercise issue is interesting -- most jobs that people have these days involve a whole lot of sitting, and using computers. No physical activity whatsoever.

Years ago, my wife asked me why I always stay up until 2 or 3 am. I thought the answer was simple -- because I didn't do a damn thing today to exert any energy. (Meant as a joke, but partially true.) I've got my own sleep issues though, and hoping to get those addressed while I'm still pretty young. Sometimes though, my "cycle" seems more like 36 hours than 24 hours, and that's not so convenient.

Generations ago, the workforce had far more physical jobs, and didn't "need" exercise as a separate event, the way we do now.

My grandfather was a butcher, and he had huge rock hard arms. A very strong man, and never exercised a single day, I'm sure. Of course, he also smoked for 50 years, drank heavily, and died of a massive stroke... so there's that part of his life too.

I think we can all do better with how we live a healthy life, but stay realistic and know that things aren't going to go perfectly.

There was an old line in an episode of The Simpsons which sums it up for me:

"I can't promise I'll try, but I'll try to try."
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby JCRaymo » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:05 am

Yes I completely agree with exercise and aging,

I took a job promotion which moved me here to this frozen tundra. My new job is much less physical and I added at least 30 pounds. We recently sold our beloved VW camper and installed a gym in our house where the camper lived. Working out at nearly a 50 year old is a lot less fun as it was when I was 20 but I like how I feel afterward. What I said earlier about playing Eb tuba and horn weight it probably not true. My Willson Eb is probably heavier than some Contra bass tubas. My Eb sousaphone and Helicon though are lighter.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:41 am

Is my thinking, here, ignorance-based, partially on the right track and partially not, or is it correct ?

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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby MaryAnn » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:32 pm

Dare I reply? Here at having trouble staying near 100# from the underside.....because to me a growling stomach is an annoyance that means I have to go cook something, rather than a reason to stuff my face with junk. I have a friend about my age who was not fat in my opinion, but in her opinion she could do better, and she is a retired MD. She "went paleo" and in pretty short order became skinny, her cholesterol, blood sugar etc became normal, and she is quite pleased with herself and maintaining over time. I am also pretty much paleo (principally vegetables and meat, all organic etc which some of you will scoff at but it works for me) and all my tests are well within range except they keep pointing out that my BMI is too low. I am not carrying even an extra piccolo and wouldn't mind adding a few. But I read somewhere a while back that the latest longevity "statistics" (remember what Mark Twain said about lies, damn lies, and statistics) did not factor out that the thinnest people generally were smokers, and so the ideal weight for longevity was adjusted upwards, ignoring that those somewhat fatter people were not smokers, which is why they had a statistically longer life span.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:41 pm

The smoking thing - more in the past - did play a factor in keeping people thinner, but my two lived-to-be-ninety grandfathers didn't smoke. One never drank (as his wife was so against drinking) and the other rarely drank (possibly due to not being able to afford such luxuries as alcohol), but both lived on high-fat/moderate-protein/low-carbohydrate diets. They both made funny faces when offered "sweets" or chips. LOL...I do find it curious that - today - so many smoke something other-than-tobacco (something which prompts them to tear into carbohydrates), and (somehow...??) consider themselves to be "non-smokers". :roll:
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby MaryAnn » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:03 pm

It always amazes me the emphasis in doctors' offices placed on whether a person has "ever" smoked, even if it was one cigarette when they were 16. And yet they never, ever, ask if one grew up in a smoking household, which I did. I was exposed to second hand smoke from birth until I went to college. On top of that, I found out that there are arrogant, snotty, lacking-IQ medical "assistants" (first three letters emphasized) who find it perfectly ok to harass an elderly person about having had that one cigarette when 16. The culture changes during my lifetime are truly amazing, and I no longer admit to that one cigarette at 16 (which tasted truly awful to me.)
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby Three Valves » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:50 pm

I started smoking at 17 when I joined the Army.

Smokers got smoke breaks, non smokers didn’t.

I never smoked a lot, and by the time I quit when my future wife insisted on it 20 years later, I was down to a pack a week anyway.

I ballooned up to a good bowling score... 240.

My new, old man fighting weight is about 225.
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Re: Age and Horn Weight

Postby bloke » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:00 pm

Yeah...both of my parents smoked like chimneys...including in enclosed cars...including before cars featured automatic constant ventilation...

My Dad died at 68...frontal lobe brain cancer (due to smoking...?? I dunno...possibly...)
My Mom died at 82...after having suffered from virtually every single disease related to smoking.

Both of both of their parents lived longer than they did.
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