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Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby DouglasJB » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:41 pm

Just looking to see if there are any small (not travel size) Eb tubas made, the smallest one that comes to mind currently is the Miraphone 383 (Starlight). Any other small horns come to mind?
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Tubajug » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:09 pm

The one I'm building for myself... hehe :)
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby LCH3 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:25 pm

DouglasJB wrote:Just looking to see if there are any small (not travel size) Eb tubas made, the smallest one that comes to mind currently is the Miraphone 383 (Starlight). Any other small horns come to mind?


The Wessex Gnagey Eb (5 valve) is smaller - and lighter - than my Besson 982 (3+1).
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Donn » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:31 pm

A long shot, and if you can get it, it won't come cheap - Gronitz used to offer a 4P+1R Eb, likely still would make it for an interested party. I saw one in real life, and was surprised at how much smaller it was than I expected from the picture. Might be a good idea to confirm that with actual dimensions, though - and weight, if that's an issue.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby macbil » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:41 am

I used to have one. Well built and made a big noise , much bigger and punchier than it's size suggested. Not sure if the new man will make you one but you might pick one up on a European E-Bay posting.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Mwtuba32 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:11 am

I had a St. Petersburg 4 valve EB that played very well. TE Carrie's a 5 valve version. I would assume that it is just as good.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Sousaswag » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:39 am

The smaller of the two Willson Eb's (3400C?) was a pretty awesome little horn. It plays similar to the MW2141 in my opinion. Monstrous low register and fairly decent high register from what I can remember. Definitely one to check out.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Jerryleejr » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:02 pm

You may want to see if the Besson 984 comes with a 5V option...
From the Besson website,
"The newer 984 model is a 983 that has been modified with a lighter 15 inch bell, a new receiver, leadpipe, valve block position, new stays and more."

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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby iiipopes » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:51 pm

Miraphone's predecessor Eb, 183, was a fairly light tuba. I used to have one. Try before you buy because the intonation characteristics can vary from horn to horn. TubaTinker used to have one that was great, mine was so-so.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Casca Grossa » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:33 pm

I'm in the process of having one made. I'll let you know how it works out.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Eflatdoubler » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:47 am

Small in bore or bell? My Wessex Solo might be what you are looking for...
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby DouglasJB » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:16 am

Ideally something small bell and body. More just looking for something that might travel better for me. Does anyone know how the Gnagey compares in size to a 2141?
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby bloke » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:51 pm

Typically (on TubeNet),
Here's an reply to your inquiry that you didn't solicit:

Find a good-condition, high-grade, in-tune 3+1 COMPENSATING Eb.
Generally - in my experience - intonation characteristics of the best of these exceeds those of most of the 4+1 config. non-comp. Eb's.
If you want "small", I can sell you a brand-new YEB-321 bell (which is supposed to be virtually identical to the Besson/Boosey Edgware Rd/London 15" Eb bells - mostly seen in the pre-Fletcher past) for a few hundred bucks, and you can swap that bell out for the (likely) 19" bell that most comp. Eb tubas sport.

The resulting instrument will be a fine, fully-chromatic Eb tuba with a .689" bore (.728" bore 4th valve) and a 15" bell.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby MaryAnn » Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:42 am

I would have a compensator except that I literally cannot reach them. Therefore I have rotors....I played the Starlight and the Star, and unless you are doing only solo work, the light is going to be too light. I got the Star, and everyone here knows how much I like it. Mine is silver, a friend has one in lacquer, and neither of us can tell any significant difference between them.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby iiipopes » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:46 pm

Didn't Josef Lidl have a family of 3/4 rotary tubas in the various pitches, with .720 bore and 16 1/2 smaller throat bell, including Eb at one point? I see the BBb and CC, but not the Eb on their current web site.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby JCRaymo » Fri May 03, 2019 7:23 am

Didn't yamaha offer a 5th valve add on for their small 4 valve top action Eb? Never played one but I have heard they were really nice playing little tubas with a bigger sound than you would think.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Mark Finley » Fri May 03, 2019 7:46 am

they did, but it had two problems. First, the 5th valve was only a long half step, which is next to useless, and 2nd it was dependent on the 4th valve loop, which some people didn't like. Not to mention that some people just don't like upright valve instruments.
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Oldschooltuba » Fri May 03, 2019 8:50 am

Building my own also. All York parts. Taking a top action 3 valve to a front action 4 + 1. Just starting.

How do I port a pic on this?
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby Donn » Fri May 03, 2019 9:31 am

JCRaymo wrote:Didn't yamaha offer a 5th valve add on for their small 4 valve top action Eb? Never played one but I have heard they were really nice playing little tubas with a bigger sound than you would think.


In addition to the issues mentioned above - as best I can make out, the YEB 321 is not a little tuba at all. I mean, it isn't as big as a 4/4 BBb, but for an Eb tuba it's about as big as they come. In terms of bugle size, like diameter 6 feet back from the bell end. I can only look at pictures, but it looks to me to be close to the size of MW 2141, York monster, etc.

Among current production Eb tubas, not much that's small. You can guess from the testimonials why - when the finest compliment is "plays like a big one" ... hm, why not just get a big one?
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Re: Small 5V Eb tuba

Postby bloke » Fri May 03, 2019 1:35 pm

Oldschooltuba wrote:Building my own also. All York parts. Taking a top action 3 valve to a front action 4 + 1. Just starting.

How do I port a pic on this?


1. Be sure that the picture is not gigantic prior to uploading. Limiting width to smaller than the width of tubenet is considerate to others.

2. https://imgur.com/

3. Right-click the image - once uploaded - and copy the url.

4. Paste the url in a textbook here, but immediately on either side of the url, and then Submit.
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