St. Pete players only

tuba114 · Post by **tuba114** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:17 pm

I used a schilke-hellberg 2 on my 201N St. Pete

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:23 pm

I had a mouthpiece made for the instrument to Bill Rose's design by Terry Warburton. It was like a Conn Helleberg with a glandular condition--very, very large. I think the hint to take from that bit of evidence is that the St. Pete works best with a large mouthpiece that has a large throat.

Rick "offering only a hint" Denney

greggu · Post by **greggu** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:04 pm

I thought TE sold a Rose mouthpiece with it? That is what they gave me when I tried one out years ago.

Matt G · Post by **Matt G** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:28 pm

greggu wrote:I thought TE sold a Rose mouthpiece with it? That is what they gave me when I tried one out years ago.

There is the Warburton version and the Marcenkewicz (sp?). TE was using the Warburton first, but must have had a pissing match with Terry and went to the west coast. For a while, Dillon's was selling them off for Terry for cheap (around $25). While not a favorite, it was decent for a large Helleberg design. Didn't work worth a poop on any of my horns (all circa .750 bore).

Don't know how the Marc. is, but I'm sure it is of very similar dimensions.

I think Rick is on the right track. This horn tends to need a very deep cup and open throat. This mouthpiece also had a very wide cup diameter, but that could be left to the player.

Lew · Post by **Lew** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:00 pm

Matthew Gilchrest wrote:...
There is the Warburton version and the Marcenkewicz (sp?). TE was using the Warburton first, but must have had a pissing match with Terry and went to the west coast. For a while, Dillon's was selling them off for Terry for cheap (around $25). While not a favorite, it was decent for a large Helleberg design. Didn't work worth a poop on any of my horns (all circa .750 bore). ...

I have a DIllon R1, which I think is their version of the Rose, and, although I may be the only one who likes it, find it to be the perfect mouthpiece for my large rotary valve tuba (King "Bill Bell" 1291).

tubiker · Post by **tubiker** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:18 pm

I've got a PT 84 on the end of a St Pete 101 - it works ok but as with all things I would love to hear what else is available.

Andrew Murray

chronolith · Post by **chronolith** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:28 pm

Hey there.

Nobody should give you any crap about the St. Pete. For sound quality, some of those horns give a warmer and broader sound than a number of the other horns out there. I loved mine before I decided to move to something bigger. The only real issue with them is how easily they take damage if you are not careful.

I used a Helleberg then switched to a Bach 18 to get a little better response out of the attacks. I tried one of the Rose TE mouthpieces and found it to be nothing special.

David Zerkel · Post by **David Zerkel** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:31 pm

greggu wrote:I thought TE sold a Rose mouthpiece with it? That is what they gave me when I tried one out years ago.

The Marcinkiewicz Rose is the mouthpiece that I use on my PT-6P. I find it to be a pretty good fit.

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:59 pm

cc_tuba_guy wrote:To my knowledge, the Marc Rose is very similar to the Mirafone Rose mouthpieces.

If the Marc Rose is similar to the Warburton-made Rose that was intended for the St. Pete, then it's much larger than the Miraphone Rose Orchestra, which is the larger of the two Miraphone mouthpieces designed by Bill Rose. Not the same at all. But I don't know if the Marc Rose was a previous design, or the mouthpiece intended for the St. Pete after Warburton stopped making them.

Rick "who has never seen the Marc Rose" Denney

Albertibass · Post by **Albertibass** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:52 pm

i use an Mirafone Rose C9 on my St Pete

davidgilbreath · Post by **davidgilbreath** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:44 pm

Don't own any St. Petes (or any tubas), just play on the St. Pete that my high school owns. I have four mouthpieces left from my university days, 1) Conn-Helleberg, 2) Helleberg-Sear, 3) one that looks as if it came from one of the university's old MW 25s, and 4) a superb screw-rim made by my university's physics department (UK).

When I play the school's 202N, I use the UK screw-rim (Rex Conner inspired) for a bright sound and the MW 25 looking one for a warmer tone.

David Gilbreath
4 mouthpieces
0 tubas
1 large homebrewing belly

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:46 pm

One of the guys in community band borrowed a Marc Rose for a rehearsal to use on his borrowed Conn 11J. It made his horn sound a lot bigger and better than it really was. I wish he would borrow it again so I can get a better look at it.

BTW - the Marc Rose is not listed on the Marc website, and I can't find any details in the description of it at Tuba Exchange. Anybody know why, and does anybody have any specs on it?

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:54 pm

iiipopes wrote:One of the guys in community band borrowed a Marc Rose for a rehearsal to use on his borrowed Conn 11J. It made his horn sound a lot bigger and better than it really was. I wish he would borrow it again so I can get a better look at it.

BTW - the Marc Rose is not listed on the Marc website, and I can't find any details in the description of it at Tuba Exchange. Anybody know why, and does anybody have any specs on it?

I asked the good folks at TE about the mouthpiece before, and they directed me to Marcinkiewicz. I was told it has a slightly smaller cup i.d. and a slightly smaller throat than the Marcinkiewicz H2. I was only asking for a compairison...maybe if you email them they will give out the exact specs.

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